[ARCHIVE to 2014] Hilton Honors Diamond VIP Status: Is It Really Worth It?
#736
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 10,909
Good for you but this is bogus math unless you planned to spend $6000 and I have my doubts there. The practical value of 60k points is probably in 300-400 range.
#737
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Omaha
Programs: AA Life Plat 4mm, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,460
I agree with most posters, when you travel 100 nights a year 95 probably made no difference between Gold and Diamond. It is the other 5 that make for good dinner conversation when we are sitting with friends or at a hotel bar swapping travel stories. It is definately worth $400 to me.
#738
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: The Dakotas
Posts: 608
Just an idea. If your education institution accepts AMEX why not apply for the AMEX HHonors Surpass card where $40K spend would achieve Diamond status as well as 120,000 HH points? If you are an AMEX cardholder you are eligible to use the AXON awards as well which can be quite valuable. The Surpass card does have an annual fee the is $20 higher than the Citi card. You can usually get an enrollment bonus for this card with 65K HHonors point after a minimum spend which you will certainly reach with the tuition payments.
#739
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
Free night
Another thing to consider is the free night if you won't put $10K on the card otherwise. $10K in charges on the reserve cards gets you a free weekend night on your anniversary.
#740
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: ヒルトン大阪
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I am Gold through the HHonors Reserve Visa. I probably stay at Hiltons 15to 25 nights a year. There are large tuition payments I can put on the card to hit the spend threshold and make Diamond, but the school will require me to pay a transaction fee of almost 2% on the extra $20,000 in spend I can generate this way. In other words, it will cost me about $400 out of pocket to make Diamond by upping my spend using the tuition payments. For those of you who are Diamond, is it worth $400 in your opinion? I generally know what the available perks are, I just don't have a feel for how often upgrades are offered and how nice the perks turn out to be.
#741
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Atlanta
Programs: Delta Diamond; HHonors Diamond
Posts: 655
However, it appears that your response is simply a petty quip over the fact that I am able to earn status by putting enough spend on my credit card, as the Hilton rules allow. "Someone like me" has $150K in business spend to move around to whatever credit cards I deem worthwhile. The credit card companies offer perks to get my spend, and the card companies pay the airlines and hotel chains to secure the perks they offer to cardholders. If you don't like it, take your complaint up with Hilton. When someone lashes out at those who are simply earning status under Hilton's rules, I am always unsure if I should think it is funny or ridiculous.
#742
In Memoriam
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Easton, CT, USA
Programs: ua prem exec, Former hilton diamond
Posts: 31,801
#743
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,579
The only way I could see to figure a way to make it not worth it is if all your stays are at cheap Hampton or Homewood Suites properties, otherwise the value of 60k points plus Diamond benefits will easily exceed $400.
#744
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: BOS
Programs: BA GLD for LIfe, AA PLT 2 MM miler, B6 Mosaic, Star GLD; HH Diamond; Marriott PLT, IHG Plat
Posts: 1,368
I would have said no, but last week, I checked into a Hilton and they said, "Oh, you are a Diamond, go up to the Executive Lounge to check in." They upgraded me to a terrific suite -- nice living room with a glass wall overlooking the city/park, work area, huge enclosed bedroom with sliding double doors, big bathroom (so many doors it took me a while to find the toilet) and a large jacuzzi in its own room overlooking the city. It sort of reminded me of the kind of room a basketball player and his two female friends share. When I checked out, the person in the lounge asked me if I liked the room and I said, it was fabulous but it was too bad my wife isn't here. I'm going to try to bring her on my next trip. And she said, let me know and I'll try to get you an upgrade if I can. That is surely worth $400.
#745
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Programs: Delta DM & MM, Hilton DM, Marriott gold, Hyatt Globalist, Alaska 75K, Wyndham Diamond,
Posts: 15,399
The Bentley is Miami is $1,200 a night plus tax in March when I want to go. Called the diamond desk and they were able to get me an axon of 145K for the 4 nights.
So diamond was well worth $400 to me on this stay alone. And before calculating taxes in, each point is worth 3.3 cents on the stay and probably more like 3.5 when you factor in what the taxes would be ($4,800 divided by 145,000 points).
For some of these rates I have been getting lately I am thinking I should charge an IRS payment and my property taxes and pay the 2.3%. If I am realizing even 3 cents per point, at 3 pts/$ charge that is a 9 percent return. Not bad.
So diamond was well worth $400 to me on this stay alone. And before calculating taxes in, each point is worth 3.3 cents on the stay and probably more like 3.5 when you factor in what the taxes would be ($4,800 divided by 145,000 points).
For some of these rates I have been getting lately I am thinking I should charge an IRS payment and my property taxes and pay the 2.3%. If I am realizing even 3 cents per point, at 3 pts/$ charge that is a 9 percent return. Not bad.
#746
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: KUO
Programs: HH Diam, AY/AX/KQ/IHG/VISA Plat, SK/Bonvoy/Melia/Strawberry Gold, Radisson Prem, PP Prest
Posts: 2,266
If your point is that 25 nights isn't enough stays to make the status worthwhile, then thank you for your response. I have wondered that too.
However, it appears that your response is simply a petty quip over the fact that I am able to earn status by putting enough spend on my credit card, as the Hilton rules allow. "Someone like me" has $150K in business spend to move around to whatever credit cards I deem worthwhile. The credit card companies offer perks to get my spend, and the card companies pay the airlines and hotel chains to secure the perks they offer to cardholders. If you don't like it, take your complaint up with Hilton. When someone lashes out at those who are simply earning status under Hilton's rules, I am always unsure if I should think it is funny or ridiculous.
However, it appears that your response is simply a petty quip over the fact that I am able to earn status by putting enough spend on my credit card, as the Hilton rules allow. "Someone like me" has $150K in business spend to move around to whatever credit cards I deem worthwhile. The credit card companies offer perks to get my spend, and the card companies pay the airlines and hotel chains to secure the perks they offer to cardholders. If you don't like it, take your complaint up with Hilton. When someone lashes out at those who are simply earning status under Hilton's rules, I am always unsure if I should think it is funny or ridiculous.
#747
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: MCI - Lee's Summit
Programs: United 1K, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 97
So far I have not seen any benefit to being a Diamond with Hilton, Marriott is another story though IMO and far more benefit.
#748
Original Member and FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Kansas City, MO, USA
Programs: DL PM/MM, AA ExPlat, Hyatt Glob, HH Dia, National ECE, Hertz PC
Posts: 16,579
You need to contact HHonors immediately then, you should be receiving a 50% bonus on all base points as well as all your MyWay Benefits when staying at Hilton, Doubletree, HGI, Conrad, and W-A properties.
#749
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Atlanta
Programs: Delta Diamond; HHonors Diamond
Posts: 655
It's $150K per year, not $150K every now and then, and most of those dollars are business expenses for the business I own. My actual profits/take home income are in a range where I do need to worry about $400. And, based on how I was raised, I would likely still worry about $400 even if I was earning much more than I do.