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Originally Posted by travelexpert
(Post 12684812)
At least Marriott significantly increased the Platinum bonus to make up for the devaluation.
The sad part about this one is that I've been mostly complementary of HHonors in recent years for what I consider a high quality of treatment for HH Gold status. (I'm still, for the most part, pleased with my HHonors stays.) I'm hopeful that there will be some category correction in our favor in December. This move is so mindblowingly bad otherwise, it just seems like they have to throw us a bone. |
Originally Posted by wharvey
(Post 12684053)
I am curious... what place is that?
All the programs are devaluating their program. |
Originally Posted by travelexpert
(Post 12681512)
Since we at FT are probably the most intense travelers and revenue generators for travel suppliers, we probably have more power than we realize.
I am starting this thread to demonstrate to HHONORS that going ahead with devaluing our points when the economy has plummeted and business travel is in a slump makes no logical sense. If hotel rates were rising, Hilton would be pressured by its owner franchisees to increase the rates they get when providing reward space. Since rates are plummeting, there cannot be such pressure, and Hilton is obviously making this change to enhance its own profitability at the expense of its most loyal customers. Over the past several years, Ms. Travelexpert and I have consistently been giving Hilton 120 nights each year. So I'll start out making a commitment to decrease my Hilton business to zero if possible. On occasion, Hilton may be the best option--but I'll seek out alternatives moving forward if the new award chart is implemented next January. This program has lagged behind the others for so long it's not even funny...now this...:td: |
I admit I haven't spent a lot of time studying this but at first blush it doesn't seem so bad- isn't it somewhat a function of which/how many properties become L7? And isn't the impact muted by the reduced elite award levels?
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Originally Posted by pauleeepaul
(Post 12685408)
I admit I haven't spent a lot of time studying this but at first blush it doesn't seem so bad- isn't it somewhat a function of which/how many properties become L7? And isn't the impact muted by the reduced elite award levels?
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not really
I am happy with Hilton. I like Starwood, however, I travel to very random places that doesn't have Starwood properties...which leaves Marriott....I refuse to indirectly fund the Mormon church...so that leaves Hilton.
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Originally Posted by attorney28
(Post 12682418)
The only reason I am still with Hilton is that Starwood and Hyatt hotels in London (where I have a majority of my stays) are almost prohibitively more expensive than the Hilton hotels there. I might as well stay at Holiday Inn hotels in London, though, as they aren't really worse than the Hilton hotels there. So I am currently considering that. Diamond recognition at the Hilton hotels I usually stay at (London) is almost non-existent. The points devaluation makes it significantly less attractive to suffer through the stays at London Hilton hotels just to use the points at some point in the future in one of the nicer Hilton hotels.
I'll probably requalify for Diamond this year as I am only a few stays away, then burn all my points before the changes to the HHonors program and hope for some Diamond recognition when burning the points and then take all my business to Hyatt/SPG/Priority Club from next year. |
Originally Posted by Richelieu
(Post 12685631)
Actually, some (many? most?) of us read the email and webpages as "every hotel will jump one category" : all "old L5" currently at 35,000 will become in the new & improved ranking system L6 at 40,000, and so on. Plus some hotel will change category depending of their individual qualities.
We need the special December/January list of category changes to come out to determine whether a large number of properties gets moved back to 2009 levels. This is the one hope I'm holding out: logically, it makes sense that all Opp, 1, and 2 hotels would move up one level to 1, 2, and 3. But today's 4, 5, and 6 hotels should only move up based on their merits, demand, revenue, etc. My hope is that it was easier to first announce the categories and the new Cat 7, and we'll get a full list in December/January that shows most mainline Hiltons - the 4's, 5's, and 6's most common throughout the system - are set back to the proper level. Is this a naive, wishful hope? :confused: |
I would consider switching, but not because of devaluation. The cost per night has gone up over the past five years, so I am still getting about the same number of free nights vs. the number of nights I stay. The extra free day is a nice gesture from Hilton though. However I would stay because of the lack of consistency and no real recognition between gold / diamond.
If you wanted this to really work then have people fax in their receipts from other properties. A few people saying they'll switch is sends a message. Dropping a stack of $1m of receipts from Diamond members giving their business elsewhere will get much more attention. |
Originally Posted by pauleeepaul
(Post 12685408)
And isn't the impact muted by the reduced elite award levels?
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Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 12685960)
The FAQ explicitly stated it: the default is that the entire system moves up 1 category. Your 175k Cat 6 costs 225k in 2010. Your 150k Cat 5 goes up to 180k.
Is this a naive, wishful hope? :confused: |
I am HH Gold Priority Club Plat and Marriott Silver. I have to get US govt. rate or better otherwise I have to eat the difference. Most of my travel is CONUS. I am fat though no seat belt extender so I like the complimentary breakfast at Hilton. When I diet on of my strategies is to go Starwood but there are not enough of them. I would be Diamond if I could get govt. rate often enough. I care about treatment at the property more than the points earned which I understand may be heretical here. I am usually treated well at Hilton branded properties , Hampton Inn http://www.hamptoninn.com/en/hp/hote...tyhocn=WASWBHX Woodbridge VA excepted.
I deplore the devaluation of my points earned but business is business. |
I've experienced worse devaluations and have tried them all.HH bugs me at times, but I still think they are the best choice. I've earned LOTS of miles and Delta MQM's as well. I wish they had a higher level, but I'm staying. (Doesn't mean I won't whine at times)
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Diamond here.... I am in the process of canceling my remaining Hilton stays this year and booking with SPG.
I will also burn my 1 million points ASAP. |
CO Platinum and HH Diamond here. Just received the e-mail ~3 hours ago. As CO transitions to *A so will I transition to *wood! Bye bye Hilton. It's been nice knowing you. I'll either burn my remaining 360K points or just use them to keep my DL account active every 18 months!
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