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slippahs, Hawaii forum co-moderator
Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
Mahalo,
slippahs, Hawaii forum co-moderator
When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
#976
Join Date: May 2012
Location: DCA, lived MCI, SEA/PDX,BUF (born/raised)
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That 20.3% is those who are actually on unemployment benefits and doesn't include:
- Employees with greatly reduced hours but still technically employed
- Some seasonal employees that were just not rehired this year
- Self-employed people and freelancers
- Anyone getting paid under the table
- High school/college graduates who would normally enter the workforce but can't
- Anyone else who either couldn't or didn't apply for unemployment for any other reason
Some of them may be eligible for other CARES Act relief measures but still aren't counted in the statistics. So yes, the real number is definitely higher but a bit harder to measure.
- Employees with greatly reduced hours but still technically employed
- Some seasonal employees that were just not rehired this year
- Self-employed people and freelancers
- Anyone getting paid under the table
- High school/college graduates who would normally enter the workforce but can't
- Anyone else who either couldn't or didn't apply for unemployment for any other reason
Some of them may be eligible for other CARES Act relief measures but still aren't counted in the statistics. So yes, the real number is definitely higher but a bit harder to measure.
also with seasonal employees, it can get complicated on how to count them . If these are in the tourist industry based in say California who sends employees to hawsii for short periods like in training or they do peak season tours during say February with humpback whale trips or peop,e assigned to Hawaii for things around family travel didn’t go there this year could be missing in the data.
this also could affect peop,e eho do second jobs like teachers in summer or others who work weekends for extra money.
#977
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Intermountain West
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Posts: 12,082
Ige says the 10/1/20 date is probably not going to happen.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...opening-again/
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...opening-again/
#978
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: UA, Some Others
Posts: 286
I heard Mayor Caldwell say "I think travel from the mainland with a test is preferable to untested passengers coming with a quarantine. We don't know if they are actually quarantining." I hadnt thought about that; the travel with a test may actually be better than what we are doing for disease prevention.
#979
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Japan/Thailand
Programs: AS, UA
Posts: 1,201
Define "science"....
It's no secret that we are still trying to figure out the "science" of Covid, partly because we don't really want to accept reality of Covid (it's here to stay folks, there are no quick remedies), and partly because of political interference. Extraordinary measures & sacrifices have been taken, and yet here we are 6 months later still struggling to gain control with no end in sight. Unfortunately whatever is politically expedient and good for optics (votes) seems to trump what limited science we do know.
The fact of the matter is that the response to Covid has been as much an attempt at understanding the science, as it is the political appeasement of people who are looking for answers and reassurance with the minimum of effort. Unfortunately the science is still sketchy, we have no answers, and people lack confidence. A lot of blame to go around. What a dumpster fire!
It's no secret that we are still trying to figure out the "science" of Covid, partly because we don't really want to accept reality of Covid (it's here to stay folks, there are no quick remedies), and partly because of political interference. Extraordinary measures & sacrifices have been taken, and yet here we are 6 months later still struggling to gain control with no end in sight. Unfortunately whatever is politically expedient and good for optics (votes) seems to trump what limited science we do know.
The fact of the matter is that the response to Covid has been as much an attempt at understanding the science, as it is the political appeasement of people who are looking for answers and reassurance with the minimum of effort. Unfortunately the science is still sketchy, we have no answers, and people lack confidence. A lot of blame to go around. What a dumpster fire!
A complete travel ban, allowing travel but with a strict quarantine, testing without quarantine, complete lockdown, partial reopening, beaches open, beaches closed, can all be "valid science", depending on how these policies are implemented and followed as well as local conditions. Opening beaches is valid because there's plenty of space to swim in the ocean alone without anyone around. Closing beaches is valid because we can't stop a 30-person barbecue from gathering. Neither argument is wrong or unscientific, and politicians can cite science to support either side of the debate.
#980
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: PDX, OGG or between the two
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 2,866
I heard Mayor Caldwell say "I think travel from the mainland with a test is preferable to untested passengers coming with a quarantine. We don't know if they are actually quarantining." I hadnt thought about that; the travel with a test may actually be better than what we are doing for disease prevention.
I completely agree with him. It is ridiculous that I am allowed to come to the island and hang with (and potentially infect) my family and they are free come/go the whole time I'm there and beyond. A Covid test upon arrival (or within 3 days, etc.) undoubtedly seems to be the most effectvive.
#981
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Upcountry Maui, HI
Posts: 13,311
Problem is that there still isn't enough testing available to handle that and the tests we currently use take too long to get results.
We need the new instant (5 - 15 minutes to result) tests that are in development now, in sufficient volume so people can get tested before they board a plane and upon arrival and again after several days ...
-David
We need the new instant (5 - 15 minutes to result) tests that are in development now, in sufficient volume so people can get tested before they board a plane and upon arrival and again after several days ...
-David
#982
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: PDX, OGG or between the two
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Posts: 2,866
This constantly moving the goalposts is complete BS and only the government could pull of such thing. If anyone in the private sector ran their business this way they would be out of business.
#983
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: JRF
Programs: AA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, National Executive Elite
Posts: 1,784
STUDY: Hawai'i ranks #1 for most coronavirus restrictions
HONOLULU, O'ahu (KITV4) - Hawai'i ranks as the number one state with the most coronavirus restrictions.
That's according to a new study from WalletHub.
Hawai'i moved up 14 spots to take first place because of the state's limited gatherings, statewide quarantine, and limits on restaurants and bars.
California is in 2nd and has seen the most covid-19 cases in the U.S. The states with the fewest amount of restrictions are South Dakota, and Utah.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42634385/...s-restrictions
That's according to a new study from WalletHub.
Hawai'i moved up 14 spots to take first place because of the state's limited gatherings, statewide quarantine, and limits on restaurants and bars.
California is in 2nd and has seen the most covid-19 cases in the U.S. The states with the fewest amount of restrictions are South Dakota, and Utah.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42634385/...s-restrictions
#984
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: UA, Some Others
Posts: 286
Let me worry about that.... government makes the rules I'll worry about getting a test within 3-days. If I can't.... fine, I'll live with that. This is America and something tells me when there is a need/demand, miraculously, there will be some supply.
This constantly moving the goalposts is complete BS and only the government could pull of such thing. If anyone in the private sector ran their business this way they would be out of business.
This constantly moving the goalposts is complete BS and only the government could pull of such thing. If anyone in the private sector ran their business this way they would be out of business.
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#985
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Kamuela, HI
Programs: AA-Plat
Posts: 462
No word on the closures being extended. We are hopeful that the beach parks will again be open after Friday. Our case count is back into single digits which may help.
#986
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Hawai'i Nei
Programs: Au: UA, Marriott, Hilton; GE
Posts: 7,145
Helpful to look away from Hawaii and see what others are doing and saying. A poll of 1000 Canadians support border closure to Americans despite the negative economic impact:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...722974?cmp=rss
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...722974?cmp=rss
#987
Join Date: May 2012
Location: HNL
Programs: AS MVPG, HA Plat
Posts: 1,268
The states with the fewest amount of restrictions are South Dakota, and Utah.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42634385/...s-restrictions
https://www.kitv.com/story/42634385/...s-restrictions
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#988
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York / Hawaii
Programs: UA Global Services, HH Diamond
Posts: 5,178
#989
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Austin, TX - AUS
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Governor announces pre-travel testing to start on October 15. https://www.kitv.com/story/42634902/...o-begin-oct-15
#990
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Francisco
Programs: All-Around Kettle
Posts: 3,290
Helpful to look away from Hawaii and see what others are doing and saying. A poll of 1000 Canadians support border closure to Americans despite the negative economic impact:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...722974?cmp=rss
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...722974?cmp=rss