djp98374

remrmber...unemployment also doesn’t count those who have stopped looking or stopped collecting unemployment.

also with seasonal employees, it can get complicated on how to count them . If these are in the tourist industry based in say California who sends employees to hawsii for short periods like in training or they do peak season tours during say February with humpback whale trips or peop,e assigned to Hawaii for things around family travel didn’t go there this year could be missing in the data.

this also could affect peop,e eho do second jobs like teachers in summer or others who work weekends for extra money.

philemer

Ige says the 10/1/20 date is probably not going to happen.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...opening-again/

denver19

I heard Mayor Caldwell say "I think travel from the mainland with a test is preferable to untested passengers coming with a quarantine. We don't know if they are actually quarantining." I hadnt thought about that; the travel with a test may actually be better than what we are doing for disease prevention.

bpe

While we are continuously discovering new things and refining knowledge about Covid as well as many other diseases, the important information like the virus structure and properties, symptoms, testing, how it spreads, etc.. is actually quite well understood by now. The problem is that "the science" alone doesn't and can't really say what to do about it and rarely gives a definite yes or no answer to 'can or should we do this?'.

A complete travel ban, allowing travel but with a strict quarantine, testing without quarantine, complete lockdown, partial reopening, beaches open, beaches closed, can all be "valid science", depending on how these policies are implemented and followed as well as local conditions. Opening beaches is valid because there's plenty of space to swim in the ocean alone without anyone around. Closing beaches is valid because we can't stop a 30-person barbecue from gathering. Neither argument is wrong or unscientific, and politicians can cite science to support either side of the debate.

mtofell

Since when does the government every consider logic or what is better???

I completely agree with him. It is ridiculous that I am allowed to come to the island and hang with (and potentially infect) my family and they are free come/go the whole time I'm there and beyond. A Covid test upon arrival (or within 3 days, etc.) undoubtedly seems to be the most effectvive.

LIH Prem

Problem is that there still isn't enough testing available to handle that and the tests we currently use take too long to get results.

We need the new instant (5 - 15 minutes to result) tests that are in development now, in sufficient volume so people can get tested before they board a plane and upon arrival and again after several days ...

-David

mtofell

Let me worry about that.... government makes the rules I'll worry about getting a test within 3-days. If I can't.... fine, I'll live with that. This is America and something tells me when there is a need/demand, miraculously, there will be some supply.

This constantly moving the goalposts is complete BS and only the government could pull of such thing. If anyone in the private sector ran their business this way they would be out of business.

msp3

HONOLULU, O'ahu (KITV4) - Hawai'i ranks as the number one state with the most coronavirus restrictions.

That's according to a new study from WalletHub.

Hawai'i moved up 14 spots to take first place because of the state's limited gatherings, statewide quarantine, and limits on restaurants and bars.

California is in 2nd and has seen the most covid-19 cases in the U.S. The states with the fewest amount of restrictions are South Dakota, and Utah.

https://www.kitv.com/story/42634385/...s-restrictions

denver19

Exactly. If the state tells the truth about thresholds for opening, then people will reach those thresholds. This, here in Hawaii, has descended into pandering to the low information base, and handing out favors to big donors. Governor Ige spoke of a "Resort Bubble" as a concept he could get behind. Imagine that; big hotels, and the unions that staff them, get a captive audience, and small local businesses get nothing. Not even the scraps. Hawaii, as a populace, is not in favor of the "Resort Bubble" concept. But somehow Governor Ige can get behind that. Imagine that.

hawaii-bound

No word on the closures being extended. We are hopeful that the beach parks will again be open after Friday. Our case count is back into single digits which may help.

747FC

Helpful to look away from Hawaii and see what others are doing and saying. A poll of 1000 Canadians support border closure to Americans despite the negative economic impact:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...722974?cmp=rss

WrightHI

While I think Hawaii's current approach has serious flaws, it's worth noting that five of the top ten states on that "fewest restrictions" list are also in the top ten for most Covid cases per capita over the past seven days, and three more make the top 15 (per NYT Covid tracking site).

Weatherboy

Mayor Kim signed a new order today keeping beaches closed through October 1.

Austin787

Governor announces pre-travel testing to start on October 15. https://www.kitv.com/story/42634902/...o-begin-oct-15

nnn

But who needs the tourists more -- Canada or Hawaii?