Oct 8, 2020, 2:27 pm
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When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
May 20, 2020, 4:22 pm
#211
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From what Hawaii data or experience do you draw to posit that Hawaii would have "serious civil unrest" due to economic struggles?
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
Civil unrest generally comes about when people feel oppressed by the government or that they are in some sort of unfair situation that can be rectified. All may be fine now that the unemployment checks are flowing, but that can't and won't go on forever. When people do not have money for rent and food, things may change. I would daresay that Hawaii has never been in this kind of a situation before, either. Just my prediction, and I deeply hope that it doesn't come to that. We can agree to disagree.
May 20, 2020, 4:39 pm
#212
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From what Hawaii data or experience do you draw to posit that Hawaii would have "serious civil unrest" due to economic struggles?
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
May 20, 2020, 4:57 pm
#213
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Part of this may be the definition of civil unrest--to me it means loud angry protests, maybe a few scuffles.
May 20, 2020, 7:31 pm
#214
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Your conflating laws with values.
Could you imagine the protests that would have happened if the USA has had a lockdown like Spain (no going out even for exercise) for seven weeks?
Just look upstream in this topic for an example of some behavior. A few people have mentioned guns if they were asked to quarantine in a hotel rather than their own homes. Yet in Australia and New Zealand that's exactly what people were expected to do and did. No protests, guns etc because there value system is more towards common good.
Could you imagine the protests that would have happened if the USA has had a lockdown like Spain (no going out even for exercise) for seven weeks?
Just look upstream in this topic for an example of some behavior. A few people have mentioned guns if they were asked to quarantine in a hotel rather than their own homes. Yet in Australia and New Zealand that's exactly what people were expected to do and did. No protests, guns etc because there value system is more towards common good.
May 20, 2020, 8:59 pm
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I would say 99% sure it won’t happen. The problem is that the quarantine could look to be ending June 30, then a few days before that they extend another 30 days etc .
As a quarterly traveler over to Hawaii for work I am being very realistic that 2020 could be a complete bust for trips over. Once I know it’s been for sure lifted then I will plan a trip over and I guarantee there will be rules in place for arrivals such as testing right before leaving , testing on landing etc. It’s not going to be fun especially for a family vacation that so many do in Hawaii.
My other personal fear is if by some chance I do get sick while staying on the outer islands (Maui/Big Island/Kauai) it could be a real issue for healthcare and lack of it. They have very limited resources and it could be scary if things got overwhelmed. I will be staying in Honolulu for the near future and doing day trips to the outer islands for meetings.
As a quarterly traveler over to Hawaii for work I am being very realistic that 2020 could be a complete bust for trips over. Once I know it’s been for sure lifted then I will plan a trip over and I guarantee there will be rules in place for arrivals such as testing right before leaving , testing on landing etc. It’s not going to be fun especially for a family vacation that so many do in Hawaii.
My other personal fear is if by some chance I do get sick while staying on the outer islands (Maui/Big Island/Kauai) it could be a real issue for healthcare and lack of it. They have very limited resources and it could be scary if things got overwhelmed. I will be staying in Honolulu for the near future and doing day trips to the outer islands for meetings.
May 20, 2020, 9:46 pm
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I'm flying in on June 17th to begin a new gig with DoD.
I will be tested before I get out there (again) and fully expect to be in a hotel room for 14 days and working from there on my GOV Laptop.
Just need to find a hotel now that has DOD daily rates for my per diem.
Keep folks from working and not being able to pay bills/rent/food.....it will happen.
I know a lot of locals that have had it with Ige....
I will be tested before I get out there (again) and fully expect to be in a hotel room for 14 days and working from there on my GOV Laptop.
Just need to find a hotel now that has DOD daily rates for my per diem.
I know a lot of locals that have had it with Ige....
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May 20, 2020, 9:51 pm
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There was a good article that sums up what many locals feel. There has always been talk before all this that they were too dependent on tourism and now that’s come clear. In times like this you will see people change and innovate . Some will go back to tourism jobs but there is no way for 2020 into 2021 you will have 30k per day arriving thus able to support all those jobs pre Covid-19
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...waiis-economy/
There is a very different mentality from the Mainland US. Culture and family are very important and as others have mentioned about the only protests you will see is when they attempt to build a telescope on Mauna Kea or something to that effect and again that shows what’s important to them and I think it’s wonderful.
Let’s let Hawaii breath, figure out their future direction and as the article says there will be a rebirth after when the time is right
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...waiis-economy/
There is a very different mentality from the Mainland US. Culture and family are very important and as others have mentioned about the only protests you will see is when they attempt to build a telescope on Mauna Kea or something to that effect and again that shows what’s important to them and I think it’s wonderful.
Let’s let Hawaii breath, figure out their future direction and as the article says there will be a rebirth after when the time is right
May 20, 2020, 10:21 pm
#218
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There was a good article that sums up what many locals feel.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...waiis-economy/
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...waiis-economy/
May 20, 2020, 10:31 pm
#219
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Not exactly the opinion of, "many locals." There's one family mentioned. The 623 person survey is only to do with income loss... nothing to do with an opinion of the shutdown. The only direct quote from a member of the one family is someone identified as a school teacher.... who is undoubtedly still being paid. Easy to agree with the lockdown when it's not taking food off your table.
May 21, 2020, 8:52 am
#220
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From what Hawaii data or experience do you draw to posit that Hawaii would have "serious civil unrest" due to economic struggles?
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
I've been here for a very, very long time, and the only thing close to "civil unrest" I've seen are protest marches and sit-ins against the Vietnam War and against telescopes on Mauna Kea. These kinds of protests are routine behavior on the mainland for a multitude of political and social goals, and are never classified as "civil unrest." Never have I seen the "mainland-routine" rioting that happens when a sports team wins or someone doesn't like how they are treated by the police.
The idea that we are going to have civil unrest, ie., rioting, is ludicrous. And, I don't care what General Hara said about this topic.
May 21, 2020, 10:09 am
#221
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The vibe I feel here on Oahu is definitely not civil unrest. Even without the tourists, it's much more of an optimistic feeling, with people visiting the malls (which are now open), going to drive-in movies, and hanging out at the beach. People are happy that restaurants might open in two weeks (I think the anticipated date that the Lieutenant Governor gave in his daily video yesterday is June 5th, which is of course subject to change). And reading the local news every day, I don't have any concern about widespread civil unrest. I'm sure there are some small groups that might want to provoke something, just as there always are, everywhere. And even if that were to happen, it seems very unlikely that it would be anything significant or widespread.
This is the feeling I get here on Oahu also. Other islands (with less population) might have a different feeling, and some people are very unhappy, I'm sure. But it certainly seems like the majority of people here are dealing with this well and are happy that things are moving forward, however slowly it feels.
There is a very different mentality from the Mainland US. Culture and family are very important and as others have mentioned about the only protests you will see is when they attempt to build a telescope on Mauna Kea or something to that effect and again that shows what’s important to them and I think it’s wonderful. Let’s let Hawaii breath, figure out their future direction and as the article says there will be a rebirth after when the time is right
May 21, 2020, 10:30 am
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There won't be on/off safe to travel switch - they have to set some thresholds instead of this wait and see approach..
May 21, 2020, 12:42 pm
#223
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Serious question, where do they get income? Are they independently wealthy? Hawaii has something like a 40% unemployment rate right now. I'm just wondering how this leads to long term happiness in the population. Just curious, thanks for the information.
May 21, 2020, 1:34 pm
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May 21, 2020, 1:45 pm
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Just an observation, but rental cars stand out like a sore thumb since there are so few. Locals definitely wonder if they are violating quarantine.
I also find it interesting that people rarely make eye contact now if I’m in the store if a complete stranger.😥 I’m guilty as well..
I also find it interesting that people rarely make eye contact now if I’m in the store if a complete stranger.😥 I’m guilty as well..