Aloha Airlines Ceases All Passenger Operations Beginning April 1, 2008
Apr 2, 2008, 11:53 pm
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I have heard this point before and it is well taken. I don't understand, though, if they played dirty indeed, how come they are not more successful? If they know the ins and outs, how come they are still not taken over the
whole market? Seems they stumble around with no particular goal in sight just based on pricing, or am I wrong?
whole market? Seems they stumble around with no particular goal in sight just based on pricing, or am I wrong?
It was never go!'s goal to be tops in the interisland market. go! understood that Hawaiian would be tops. Rather, go! knew that if it could take out Aloha, they could then proceed to make a profit on interisland operations. They understood that it was a two airline market. And they priced accordingly.
Apr 3, 2008, 3:49 am
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Moderator's note: In order to keep this thread focused on AQ's shutdown and related discussion, I moved the posts on ATA's shutdown and its ramifications for Hawai`i travel to this thread:
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Apr 4, 2008, 2:13 am
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They actually were successful. It was go!'s goal all along to take down Aloha. People claim that it was Aloha's management that brought down the airline. Sure that's a valid argument. AQ's management was poor in handling the airline when they could have a fleet replacement. But go! played a significant part in this as well. go! knew exactly what it would take to bring down Aloha, how much cash they had on hand, and what to set prices at to incite fare wars where the "legacy" interisland carriers could not keep up.
It was never go!'s goal to be tops in the interisland market. go! understood that Hawaiian would be tops. Rather, go! knew that if it could take out Aloha, they could then proceed to make a profit on interisland operations. They understood that it was a two airline market. And they priced accordingly.
It was never go!'s goal to be tops in the interisland market. go! understood that Hawaiian would be tops. Rather, go! knew that if it could take out Aloha, they could then proceed to make a profit on interisland operations. They understood that it was a two airline market. And they priced accordingly.
Apr 4, 2008, 2:44 am
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Hawaiian's mainland, Australia, south Pacific and Manila runs should do well, though.
Apr 4, 2008, 2:53 am
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go! situation a bit better having had it explained to me from various sides,
I still have no idea why go! would really plan something, which most
here describe as vicious and underhanded, something that produces
the exact opposite of what they allegedly intended. Instead of gaining
a stronger foothold, it seems that besides the obvious casualties, these
ugly mainlanders for sure are not coming out on top.
And a court makes them pay 80 million dollars to HA? I, for one, think
that HA helped creating something they in the end benefited from. They
had the inside track to convince a Hawaiian court to go along with their
game. That is what I call smart. They are the clear winner. Free money,
free routes to pick up and a bad guy to blame for nothing.
Not a bad conspiracy theory, me thinks.
Apr 4, 2008, 2:59 am
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That would be a good thing for you to do. ^
Apr 4, 2008, 3:01 am
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And a court makes them pay 80 million dollars to HA? I, for one, think
that HA helped creating something they in the end benefited from. They
had the inside track to convince a Hawaiian court to go along with their
game. That is what I call smart. They are the clear winner. Free money,
free routes to pick up and a bad guy to blame for nothing.
Not a bad conspiracy theory, me thinks.
that HA helped creating something they in the end benefited from. They
had the inside track to convince a Hawaiian court to go along with their
game. That is what I call smart. They are the clear winner. Free money,
free routes to pick up and a bad guy to blame for nothing.
Not a bad conspiracy theory, me thinks.
Apr 4, 2008, 3:05 am
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The question remains: You've made a serious allegation of serious impropriety by courts in Hawai`i. Do you have evidence for this assertion?
Apr 4, 2008, 3:13 am
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KO'ing out AQ allowed them to get one step closer to churning a profit in the AQ market.
Don't get me wrong, AQ's management has a lot of blame to share here. But go! clearly, in court documents filed in the allegedly corrupt US Bankruptcy Court, shows that this was go!'s plan all along.
Apr 4, 2008, 3:37 am
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It seems to be you're operating under the assumption that go! wanted to be the King of the interisland market. But that's never been the case. All they wanted to do was get to a point where they could make a profit, not be at the top. They knew that a two airline market could turn profits on interisland flights because of simple economics: less supply, same demand drive prices up.
KO'ing out AQ allowed them to get one step closer to churning a profit in the AQ market.
Don't get me wrong, AQ's management has a lot of blame to share here. But go! clearly, in court documents filed in the allegedly corrupt US Bankruptcy Court, shows that this was go!'s plan all along.
KO'ing out AQ allowed them to get one step closer to churning a profit in the AQ market.
Don't get me wrong, AQ's management has a lot of blame to share here. But go! clearly, in court documents filed in the allegedly corrupt US Bankruptcy Court, shows that this was go!'s plan all along.
it at this. You misunderstood me and my intentions. I am sorry if anyone was
offended by the clearly fictional conspiracy theory that I threw out there. See you in a different thread.
Apr 4, 2008, 5:39 pm
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i think its amazing a weak competitor as go!, selling 10 seats at $39 and a few per flight at $19 & $29 took out Aloha. I mean, how many airlines are matching Spirit and Allegiants $9, $19, and $29 fares? AQ and HA did NOT have to match any of Mesa's fares. Any logical revenue manager would have let YV get the "$39 folks" as they limited to seats and then competed on the $49 - $79 seats.
Kinda makes you think "touche" over what AQ and HA did to MidPac, Mahalo, and others when they forced $29 fares down those guys throats, eyh?
Kinda makes you think "touche" over what AQ and HA did to MidPac, Mahalo, and others when they forced $29 fares down those guys throats, eyh?
Apr 4, 2008, 5:53 pm
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I have to agree. The "we're losing money, but we make it up on volume!" model doesn't work very well. I can only guess it was a kneejerk attempt to demoralize go! into leaving by prolonging its losses, but Mesa was willing to throw in mainland money.
Apr 4, 2008, 7:05 pm
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Apr 4, 2008, 10:46 pm
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