WSJ News Alert: Frontier Group, Spirit Airlines Merge in $6.6 Billion Deal
#46
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Spinner bags are designed on the assumption that airlines won't count the wheels when measuring. The wheels are entirely outside the bag's dimensions so when the bag is measured including wheels you're effectively throwing away several inches of the height. Some of us still prefer the old rollaboard style where the wheels are recessed in the bag and are bitter about the lack of selection now that every manufacturer is catering almost exclusively for the demand for spinners.
To clarify: I'm not saying they *shouldn't* count the wheels. Just that historically when measurements were a bit looser they often didn't. But they definitely always were supposed to.
To clarify: I'm not saying they *shouldn't* count the wheels. Just that historically when measurements were a bit looser they often didn't. But they definitely always were supposed to.
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Spinner bags are designed on the assumption that airlines won't count the wheels when measuring. The wheels are entirely outside the bag's dimensions so when the bag is measured including wheels you're effectively throwing away several inches of the height. Some of us still prefer the old rollaboard style where the wheels are recessed in the bag and are bitter about the lack of selection now that every manufacturer is catering almost exclusively for the demand for spinners.
-J.
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Crazy frontier passenger last night article
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Happens on both as people have said. This just popped into my news feed
Crazy frontier passenger last night article
Crazy frontier passenger last night article
It's like the gate lice thing, but when you exit the plane.
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While I haven't seen anything like this in my over 50+ F9 SFO - LAS flights, what I have noticed is that, for whatever reason, there are more pax than I'm used to who simply don't follow deboarding etiquette, such as exiting by row in turn. I can't ever recall so many instances where passengers would just start filing into the line to deboard even before the row in front of them have had a chance to exit. At least during my experience, this is a regular occurrence, which is becoming a little annoying.
It's like the gate lice thing, but when you exit the plane.
It's like the gate lice thing, but when you exit the plane.
I guess it's people that are not used to flying and you'd think it was standard to not get up like that. I get when it happens when the plane stops short of the gate or right before the seatbelt sign gets off, but it happens frequently while the plane is nowhere near the gate.
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My brother in YUL used to fly often from PBG-FLL as some of the kids live near FLL. He was perfectly happy with the experience and the costs (especially compared to flying ex-YUL). It's a short drive from Montreal to Plattsburgh and we grew up always going there to shop. At just 100km (about 63 miles), he would park at the airport and shop on the way home. Given the proximity and what I assume were decent pax numbers, PBG airport called itself "The official website for Plattsburgh International Airport, Montréal's U.S. Airport". (There were also flights to MYR).
However, in Sept 2020, the local media reported "Citing COVID-19's impact on the airline industry, officials announced in early September that Spirit was halting flights from the Plattsburgh".
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It seems this person had some free time to be creative.
However, in Sept 2020, the local media reported "Citing COVID-19's impact on the airline industry, officials announced in early September that Spirit was halting flights from the Plattsburgh".
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It seems this person had some free time to be creative.
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I haven't flown legacy airlines in years so wasn't sure if behavior just changed overall. I see this all the time. It also seems that on my F9 flights, more often than not, someone gets up while the plane is taxing to gate after landing. Didn't seem to happen that often when I flew United. Two flights ago on LAS-ORD, some guy got up and opened the overhead bin just after the plane left the runway.
I guess it's people that are not used to flying and you'd think it was standard to not get up like that. I get when it happens when the plane stops short of the gate or right before the seatbelt sign gets off, but it happens frequently while the plane is nowhere near the gate.
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While I haven't seen anything like this in my over 50+ F9 SFO - LAS flights, what I have noticed is that, for whatever reason, there are more pax than I'm used to who simply don't follow deboarding etiquette, such as exiting by row in turn. I can't ever recall so many instances where passengers would just start filing into the line to deboard even before the row in front of them have had a chance to exit. At least during my experience, this is a regular occurrence, which is becoming a little annoying.
It's like the gate lice thing, but when you exit the plane.
It's like the gate lice thing, but when you exit the plane.
Certainly it can be jarring for those familiar with one method to be exposed to the other, as I was the first time I saw Method B. Equally, those familiar with Method B may find Method A jarring or lacking etiquette, the first time they see it. Though Method A is way more common in the US and therefore expected in the US.
Ultimately, I think Method B (or at least the interweaving of both) is faster, as it prevents a backlog of passengers just waiting in the aisle for the "current row" to sort themselves out. In the case of some 737s, it also prevents tail-tips.
It's possible I am misunderstanding your description though. If you are, instead, describing how a small group of passengers immediately got up before anyone else did (e.g. before the seatbelt chime), retrieved their bags, and sauntered to the very front nary a care in the world (like I saw on a recent non-F9 flight), that is not Method B, and indeed uninformed.
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It's possible I am misunderstanding your description though. If you are, instead, describing how a small group of passengers immediately got up before anyone else did (e.g. before the seatbelt chime), retrieved their bags, and sauntered to the very front nary a care in the world (like I saw on a recent non-F9 flight), that is not Method B, and indeed uninformed.
Method B I don't mind, so long as the person allows me a chance to waive him/her through; I don't like it when he/she tries to push past me as I'm getting out.
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story in wall street journal:
The Man Who Transformed Flying Finally Gets His Spirit-Frontier Deal
William Franke, Frontier’s chairman, helped popularize the ultra-low-cost airline model in the U.S. and around the world
Mr. Franke brought America West out of bankruptcy reorganization in
1994. Mr. Franke became America West’s chairman and eventually its CEO, helping to slash costs and stabilize the airline’s finances. He hired Doug Parker and Scott Kirby —now the top executives at American Airlines Group Inc. and
United Airlines Holdings Inc
The Man Who Transformed Flying Finally Gets His Spirit-Frontier Deal
William Franke, Frontier’s chairman, helped popularize the ultra-low-cost airline model in the U.S. and around the world
Mr. Franke brought America West out of bankruptcy reorganization in
1994. Mr. Franke became America West’s chairman and eventually its CEO, helping to slash costs and stabilize the airline’s finances. He hired Doug Parker and Scott Kirby —now the top executives at American Airlines Group Inc. and
United Airlines Holdings Inc
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This Jetblue drama really has me scratching my head. Really do not get what they see here. Is it really just to make F9 pay more or to blow up the deal altogether? I don't see F9 paying 50% more than they originally agreed to, there really isn't much cost savings to be had. Incremental revenue generation will be even harder when the business model is to convince someone to fly because its so cheap. You cannot count on doubling your low prices, all you will get is pushback from customers who already have figured out if they pay for seats and bags they are getting close to the price they pay with the others.
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This Jetblue drama really has me scratching my head. Really do not get what they see here. Is it really just to make F9 pay more or to blow up the deal altogether? I don't see F9 paying 50% more than they originally agreed to, there really isn't much cost savings to be had. Incremental revenue generation will be even harder when the business model is to convince someone to fly because its so cheap. You cannot count on doubling your low prices, all you will get is pushback from customers who already have figured out if they pay for seats and bags they are getting close to the price they pay with the others.
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Yeah, feels like maybe they just want the planes, some of the slots, and the hard to find pilots for a similar fleet. Frankly if I'm F9 I welcome this move, remove much of the impact of the competitor and I don't have to overpay to do it.