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Old Jan 1, 2014 | 6:05 pm
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We have never flown Frontier before or out of TTN. We are driving ourselves and parking.

Can someone help by giving me an idea of time from self park to checkin and how well they handle security. My guess is we are the only 6am flight out of there.

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Old Jan 2, 2014 | 12:41 am
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Well first thing you need to know is that Frontier has a very strict rule that you must have a boarding pass in hand as well as any checked bags processed 45 minutes before flight time. . Parking shouldn't be an issue. The are 2 separate parkinh area that are deprecate . If you can find a parking space that is advisable , just exit out (no charge for 10-15 minutes ) and enter the other one which should have spaces. Check-in can take 10-20 minutes (probably not for you as there is no other 6am flight) . I'd say be there by 430 . If you don't have any bags to check and will have a boarding pass from home you could maybe do 500. Not sure if the Resturant will be open but there is a 7-11 a 1/4 mile south of the airport entrence on bear tavern road (I-95 exit 2). Don't forget parking is now $9 a day.

**Dont forget if it is for Jan 2-3 make use of the winter weather policy at fly frontier, it can help you switch flights for free)

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Old Jan 5, 2014 | 5:20 pm
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any shutter to the train station.
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Old Jan 5, 2014 | 9:51 pm
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No Shuttle, its in the works but they are looking for funding.

Taxi service to West Trenton SEPTA Station (SEPTA Trains to Philadelphia) $8-10
Taxi service to Trenton Transit Center (NJ Transit/Amtrak to NYC) $30-35
Taxi service to Hamilton NJ Transit Station (NJ Transit to NYC) $30
(Hamilton station is 10 minutes closer to NYC)

NJ Transit is way cheaper to NYC than Amtrak ($15-16 each way)
SEPTA is $10 each way to Downtown Philadelphia

List of all the taxi companies
http://www.state.nj.us/counties/merc...portation.html

Where are you looking to go coming in from CVG?

Much easier to get to Philadelphia then to get to NYC. West Trenton Station is only 1.5 miles and 5 minutes away where Trenton Transit Center is 15-20 minutes away
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
No Shuttle, its in the works but they are looking for funding.

Taxi service to West Trenton SEPTA Station (SEPTA Trains to Philadelphia) $8-10
Taxi service to Trenton Transit Center (NJ Transit/Amtrak to NYC) $30-35
Taxi service to Hamilton NJ Transit Station (NJ Transit to NYC) $30
(Hamilton station is 10 minutes closer to NYC)

NJ Transit is way cheaper to NYC than Amtrak ($15-16 each way)
SEPTA is $10 each way to Downtown Philadelphia

List of all the taxi companies
http://www.state.nj.us/counties/merc...portation.html

Where are you looking to go coming in from CVG?

Much easier to get to Philadelphia then to get to NYC. West Trenton Station is only 1.5 miles and 5 minutes away where Trenton Transit Center is 15-20 minutes away
I booked a flight from TTN- CVG on Feb 17th. leaving from NYC. wondering anything cheaper? any bus? i dont mind walking since I am still in college.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 1:11 pm
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Take NJ transit from NY Penn Station to Trenton Transit Center ($15)
Take a taxi to the route 607 bus stop at South Broad St and Market Street 1/2 mile
($5 + tip) .
Take 607 bus to Bear Tavern Rd at Cardinal Drive ($1.50)
Walk 1/2 mile to Terminal

Both Bus and Train are NJ Transit (NJTRANSIT.COM)
on the Route 607 PDF file, Bear Tavern and Cardinal are approximately 25 minutes from South Broad and Market.

You could save $8 on the taxi by walking but I wouldn't I don't think there are sidewalks and Trenton is not the safest city. Most people use TTN drive to it by car or a small percentage taxi to the West Trenton Train Station to go to Philly. Not easy getting to NYC.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
Take NJ transit from NY Penn Station to Trenton Transit Center ($15)
Take a taxi to the route 607 bus stop at South Broad St and Market Street 1/2 mile
($5 + tip) .
Take 607 bus to Bear Tavern Rd at Cardinal Drive ($1.50)
Walk 1/2 mile to Terminal

Both Bus and Train are NJ Transit (NJTRANSIT.COM)
on the Route 607 PDF file, Bear Tavern and Cardinal are approximately 25 minutes from South Broad and Market.

You could save $8 on the taxi by walking but I wouldn't I don't think there are sidewalks and Trenton is not the safest city. Most people use TTN drive to it by car or a small percentage taxi to the West Trenton Train Station to go to Philly. Not easy getting to NYC.
THank you very much. it really sucks if i have to catch the taxi to go to the train station. i think it saved about 20 dollars not 8 dollars. since i have to buy the train ticket anyway. no sidewalk sounds terrible, i think i shouldnt fly frontier to NYC next time. US air offer 120 one way to LGA. and I paid 90 for my ticket, now it is even!!! well, learn a lesson.
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by cubachao
THank you very much. it really sucks if i have to catch the taxi to go to the train station. i think it saved about 20 dollars not 8 dollars. since i have to buy the train ticket anyway. no sidewalk sounds terrible, i think i shouldnt fly frontier to NYC next time. US air offer 120 one way to LGA. and I paid 90 for my ticket, now it is even!!! well, learn a lesson.
While it is true that TTN is definitely not a public transit-friendly airport, don't believe all of what Jerseyguy said. I flew into/out of TTN 20 times last year, and with the exception of two or three times when it was extremely cold and/or pouring down rain or snow, I never paid more than $1.50 to get between Trenton Transit Center and TTN airport (the cost of the local NJT bus fare).

You have two options once you get to Trenton Transit Center:

Option 1:
Take the 608 bus directly outside of the train station. Once you get outside, walk straight across both streets and turn right. The 608 bus stop is right next to the gated parking lot there.

Get off at Grand Ave and Upper Ferry Rd, where the Dunkin Donuts/7 Eleven/gas station are. From here, head north (the same direction the bus was heading; the bus will make a turn when you get off, but walk in the same direction that the bus had been going before the turn)

You will be at the edge of the airport grounds within 10 minutes. However, the walk to the terminal is another 10-15 minutes. Unfortunately, there is no sidewalk here but it is not a terrible walk across the vast grassy field, and you only need to reach the parking lot before you are walking on paved ground again. Total walking is ~0.9 miles from where you get off the bus to the terminal entrance.

Option 2:
This is the option that Jerseyguy mentioned, but there ARE sidewalks from Trenton Transit Center to the 607 bus stop. I walked this way numerous times and while Trenton is not an area you'd want to live in, from the train station to the bus stop is not that bad. You're walking in the direction of the Marriott, the most expensive hotel in the area, where a lot of people stay when they are visiting the nearby state government offices on business.

When you walk out of the train station, head left and continue straight at the intersection where the River Line light rail is. You should be walking parallel to the parking lot, on Barlow St. Keep walking straight (Barlow St will basically tun in to Market St) until you hit S Broad St. At S Broad St and Market St is the 607 bus stop. This is like a 10-minute (0.5 mile) walk.

The 607 will take you all the way to Bear Tavern Rd and Cardinal Dr. You will see the airport when you get off. However, you still need to make the extra 0.5 mile walk to the terminal building.

So you can either get on a bus right away, and then walk a mile to get to the airport. Or you can walk half a mile to the bus, and then walk another half mile to the airport. I prefer the former, since the area around the airport is pretty nice.

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Now, the bus itself (either the 607 or 608) goes through some pretty low-end areas, and the passengers won't exactly be on par with the professional white collars you might be used to on the Manhattan M42 route, etc. However, in my experience these are very lightly traveled routes so you will easily be able to just grab a seat and be comfortable until your stop. And once you pass through the bad areas, the area where you get off is incredibly nice. The airport itself is in Trenton suburb Ewing Township, one of the most upscale suburbs in all of New Jersey.

All that being said...... if the difference between LGA/JFK/EWR and TTN is only $20, and you don't mind dealing with the madness of those other airports, just pay the extra. I loved TTN because fares to/from CMH (now a discontinued route) were almost always $39 or $49, or even less with a discount code (vs. $150+ for the NYC airports). I also very much appreciated not dealing with the hassle of LGA/JFK/EWR, which I really burned out on after living in the city for five years. The walking is not that bad. It's almost serene since you'll likely be the only pedestrian as far as the eye can see. So just pop in the headphones, listen to music, and enjoy the stroll to the airport where you are at a ticket counter/machine within 5 seconds, virtually every employee at that time will be focused almost exclusively on your flight, and your wait on the tarmac for other flights ahead of you will be exactly 0 minutes.

Hope that helps!

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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by markraby
While it is true that TTN is definitely not a public transit-friendly airport, don't believe all of what Jerseyguy said. I flew into/out of TTN 20 times last year, and with the exception of two or three times when it was extremely cold and/or pouring down rain or snow, I never paid more than $1.50 to get between Trenton Transit Center and TTN airport (the cost of the local NJT bus fare).

You have two options once you get to Trenton Transit Center:

Option 1:
Take the 608 bus directly outside of the train station. Once you get outside, walk straight across both streets and turn right. The 608 bus stop is right next to the gated parking lot there.

Get off at Grand Ave and Upper Ferry Rd, where the Dunkin Donuts/7 Eleven/gas station are. From here, head north (the same direction the bus was heading; the bus will make a turn when you get off, but walk in the same direction that the bus had been going before the turn)

You will be at the edge of the airport grounds within 10 minutes. However, the walk to the terminal is another 10-15 minutes. Unfortunately, there is no sidewalk here but it is not a terrible walk across the vast grassy field, and you only need to reach the parking lot before you are walking on paved ground again. Total walking is ~0.9 miles from where you get off the bus to the terminal entrance.

Option 2:
This is the option that Jerseyguy mentioned, but there ARE sidewalks from Trenton Transit Center to the 607 bus stop. I walked this way numerous times and while Trenton is not an area you'd want to live in, from the train station to the bus stop is not that bad. You're walking in the direction of the Marriott, the most expensive hotel in the area, where a lot of people stay when they are visiting the nearby state government offices on business.

When you walk out of the train station, head left and continue straight at the intersection where the River Line light rail is. You should be walking parallel to the parking lot, on Barlow St. Keep walking straight (Barlow St will basically tun in to Market St) until you hit S Broad St. At S Broad St and Market St is the 607 bus stop. This is like a 10-minute (0.5 mile) walk.

The 607 will take you all the way to Bear Tavern Rd and Cardinal Dr. You will see the airport when you get off. However, you still need to make the extra 0.5 mile walk to the terminal building.

So you can either get on a bus right away, and then walk a mile to get to the airport. Or you can walk half a mile to the bus, and then walk another half mile to the airport. I prefer the former, since the area around the airport is pretty nice.

---

Now, the bus itself (either the 607 or 608) goes through some pretty low-end areas, and the passengers won't exactly be on par with the professional white collars you might be used to on the Manhattan M42 route, etc. However, in my experience these are very lightly traveled routes so you will easily be able to just grab a seat and be comfortable until your stop. And once you pass through the bad areas, the area where you get off is incredibly nice. The airport itself is in Trenton suburb Ewing Township, one of the most upscale suburbs in all of New Jersey.

All that being said...... if the difference between LGA/JFK/EWR and TTN is only $20, and you don't mind dealing with the madness of those other airports, just pay the extra. I loved TTN because fares to/from CMH (now a discontinued route) were almost always $39 or $49, or even less with a discount code (vs. $150+ for the NYC airports). I also very much appreciated not dealing with the hassle of LGA/JFK/EWR, which I really burned out on after living in the city for five years. The walking is not that bad. It's almost serene since you'll likely be the only pedestrian as far as the eye can see. So just pop in the headphones, listen to music, and enjoy the stroll to the airport where you are at a ticket counter/machine within 5 seconds, virtually every employee at that time will be focused almost exclusively on your flight, and your wait on the tarmac for other flights ahead of you will be exactly 0 minutes.

Hope that helps!
Thank you very much. it helps a lot. I think I will take the 608 bus, it sounds straightforward. It is my first time fly to TTN, if it works well, I think i will take frontier airlines to NYC all the time.

P.S. Suggest you put your commons in the wiki post, it is very clear and can help more people I think
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 2:13 pm
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Thank you Mark for letting me know there are sidewalks, I've never done this and the street view from Google didn't look promising. There is a problem with the 608 bus though. The flight to CVG leaves at 210pm. There are no buses that go past Sullivan Way at Edgewood between 838am and 318pm. That is over 3 miles away from the terminal.



BTW, the airport did apply for Federal Funds to create a shuttle to the Trenton Transit Center and the West Trenton SEPTA station but were denied. They are looking for alternate ways of funding.

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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 5:30 pm
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Thank you Mark for letting me know there are sidewalks, I've never done this and the street view from Google didn't look promising. There is a problem with the 608 bus though. The flight to CVG leaves at 210pm. There are no buses that go past Sullivan Way at Edgewood between 838am and 318pm. That is over 3 miles away from the terminal.



BTW, the airport did apply for Federal Funds to create a shuttle to the Trenton Transit Center and the West Trenton SEPTA station but were denied. They are looking for alternate ways of funding.
No bus? what can I do? walk three miles?
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Old Jan 7, 2014 | 5:43 pm
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No you just need to take route I told you about but the difference now is we know its walkable so you don't need to take a taxi. Its the route 608 bus that doesn't run near the airport during the day.

Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
Take NJ transit from NY Penn Station to Trenton Transit Center ($15.50)
Walk to the route 607 bus stop at South Broad St and Market Street 1/2 mile
Take 607 bus to Bear Tavern Rd at Cardinal Drive ($1.50)
Walk 1/2 mile to Terminal

Both Bus and Train are NJ Transit (NJTRANSIT.COM)
on the Route 607 PDF file, Bear Tavern and Cardinal are approximately 25 minutes from South Broad and Market.
Originally Posted by MarkRaby
When you walk out of the train station, head left and continue straight at the intersection where the River Line light rail is. You should be walking parallel to the parking lot, on Barlow St. Keep walking straight (Barlow St will basically tun in to Market St) until you hit S Broad St. At S Broad St and Market St is the 607 bus stop. This is like a 10-minute (0.5 mile) walk.
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Old Jan 11, 2014 | 3:22 am
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I wanted to change the subject here about TTN; this is an issue that was being discussed over at Airliners.net by some of you, where I do not post (not that the $25 will break me, it's just I only have so much time to post). If someone can tell me how to start a new thread, I will....

The Frontier TTN #6 thread was talking about runway extensions. I think that is feasible (albeit expensive) for the longer 6/24 runway, particularly to the west, where I think it goes into state owned land (the penal work farm). A Google earth shot shows that 1,000-ft. could easily be done and not have to worry about obstructions on approach.

However, isn't there an engine that you can put on the A319, that when combined with sharklets or winglets, shortens the runway requirement? Denver is 1400 nm, which is less than half of the max range of the 319, so it certainly does not have to lift at MTOW.

By the way, DEN and SJU are the same distance by air from TTN, so a plane that could reach DEN could also reach Puerto Rico and the USVI (no customs issues). They can reach Nassau in the Bahamas now (940 nm) which has US Customs pre-clearance.
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Old Jan 11, 2014 | 9:16 am
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Well, the main issue is that you're flying into the Jet Stream, when you go from TTN-DEN. Plus, they need to carry extra fuel. So, the take off weight of a full plane could indeed approach MTOW. And TTN airport has repeatedly stated they won't extend the runways.

Originally Posted by EricR111
I wanted to change the subject here about TTN; this is an issue that was being discussed over at Airliners.net by some of you, where I do not post (not that the $25 will break me, it's just I only have so much time to post). If someone can tell me how to start a new thread, I will....

The Frontier TTN #6 thread was talking about runway extensions. I think that is feasible (albeit expensive) for the longer 6/24 runway, particularly to the west, where I think it goes into state owned land (the penal work farm). A Google earth shot shows that 1,000-ft. could easily be done and not have to worry about obstructions on approach.

However, isn't there an engine that you can put on the A319, that when combined with sharklets or winglets, shortens the runway requirement? Denver is 1400 nm, which is less than half of the max range of the 319, so it certainly does not have to lift at MTOW.

By the way, DEN and SJU are the same distance by air from TTN, so a plane that could reach DEN could also reach Puerto Rico and the USVI (no customs issues). They can reach Nassau in the Bahamas now (940 nm) which has US Customs pre-clearance.
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Old Jan 11, 2014 | 10:48 am
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However, isn't there an engine that you can put on the A319, that when combined with sharklets or winglets, shortens the runway requirement?
That is what some of us assume may happen. The CEO has said that they want to do it, but they don't - presently - have a plane with "the right engine performance."

Both he and CFO have said they are looking for ways to solve the problem, and - I assume - it might mean a new, as in factory fresh, aircraft, such as the A319 with sharklets, because the retrofit isn't yet available for the A319. Airbus says the sharklets improve take off performance

As to the engine, I'm no Tech Wallah. Frontier has 10 or 11 A319's with the uprated engines - I don't know if the CFM can be upgraded again.

I was surprised that they were able to use the A320 at TTN one day, as a sub for an out of service A319, and that the plane (empty, on arrival from PHL) purposely used the shorter runway to land. The A320 then flew TTN-FLL-TTN with a commercial load.

There are rumours from semi-reliable sources that the problem has been solved, but I have heard nothing from anyone at Frontier, other than the CFO's recent reiteration of their determination to be able to fly TTN-DEN.
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