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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by N810FR
When something works, why try and change it?
Do you not remember the 18 months prior to Republic? Bankruptcy is not something I consider working.

Also, you don't know for sure what they are planning on changing. For all we know they will add IFE to the 190s. Do you consider STRETCH a plus or a minus? The whole point is that they are taking what works for Midwest and what works for Frontier and combining them. It is not just Frontier and not just Midwest anymore. You have to look at the whole picture.
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeFromMKE
Do you not remember the 18 months prior to Republic? Bankruptcy is not something I consider working.

Also, you don't know for sure what they are planning on changing. For all we know they will add IFE to the 190s. Do you consider STRETCH a plus or a minus? The whole point is that they are taking what works for Midwest and what works for Frontier and combining them. It is not just Frontier and not just Midwest anymore. You have to look at the whole picture.
Bankruptcy is indeed something which over a long period of time tends not to work. Yes, Republic bought Frontier and can do what they please with the brand, but if I remember correctly it wasn't because of the way Frontier operated that they entered bankruptcy. It was because of their credit card processing company First Data withholding 100% of the revenue until after the date of travel.

Indeed I do no know what they are planning on changing but it does seem to me that Republic is putting an awful lot of importance on the operations in MKE. My problem there is that Midwest Airlines as an independent airline operating their own flights hasn't existed since November 2, 2009, and yet Republic kept the branding and kept the holy cookie. When it comes down to it, Republic is risking a lot less by getting rid of a cookie than by potentially getting rid of LiveTV. If we could have the best of both world I suspect many more people would be happy. My biggest concern personally is that Bedford will decide to do away with the Frontier brand and image. This makes very little sense as Midwest is all but dead and only a shell of what it used to be.

Whatever happens, as long as the Frontier employee's don't get screwed then I'll live, sounds like Republic is giving a lot of Midwest (the REAL airline) employees the shaft right now.

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Old Feb 24, 2010 | 10:19 am
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This is Republic, not Frontier, not Midwest, so get used to it. RAH is a regional airline attempting to run a mainline carrier. I don't have much faith it will get any better.

Originally Posted by NoOneOfImportance
. The Q400s don't have DirecTV and I doubt they have snacks.
Not that it will matter for very long, but Classic Plus passengers do get offered a snack on the Lynx flights.

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Old Feb 24, 2010 | 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by GreatChecko
This is Republic, not Frontier, not Midwest, so get used to it. RAH is a regional airline attempting to run a mainline carrier. I don't have much faith it will get any better.
And that's the problem with Republic. They seem to have no idea what it takes to run a mainline carrier and yet Bedford continues to spout off ideas about what they want to do with the airline. It should make for an interesting couple of months.
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 2:27 pm
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Alas, I think Frontier might be dying. Fronpublic, anyone?

UA has a far better claim now to "hometown airline" in DEN - a much longer history and connection to Denver than Republic will ever have.
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Old Feb 25, 2010 | 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by airplanegeek
After reading yesterday, my first thought for a new name was "Midtier". Not only is it a combo of Midwest and Frontier, but it defines the airline as middle-tier.
As much as I hate to see the Frontier name/brand go, maybe rebranding the entire group as Republic is a good idea.
Do what you want with the name, but don't kill the animals!

Frontier does have better name recognition, loyalty, and customer goodwill than the other names. It's the logical choice.
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by N810FR
*I have never and never will fly Southwest Airlines. Hopefully they'll decide subsidizing losses at Denver isn't the most effective route and leave the market entirely.
I will never understand this argument. You would like for there to be less competition in Denver so that ticket prices will go up?
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Old Feb 26, 2010 | 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by PDXpress
I will never understand this argument. You would like for there to be less competition in Denver so that ticket prices will go up?
Fine, forget I said anything about them leaving Denver. I just wish passengers would be willing to pay to not be treated like prisoners boarding a cattle car. I don't like the crowd that Southwest attracts nor do I like their method of boarding, it just screams low class. The super low cost airlines in Europe do it the same, but at least where I was living (Stuttgart, Germany) I could pay something like 5 Euro extra in order to prereserve a seat on Germanwings.
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 9:06 am
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Frontier Employee Buddy received a company email today.

It talks of changing the name to "New Air" or "New Air Airlines" (stupid I know) and removing all Animal livery. Really sad, its creating quite a ruckus at DEN internally.

I wont be surprised if it shows up in the news shortly.
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by N810FR
I don't like the crowd that Southwest attracts nor do I like their method of boarding, it just screams low class.
I fly both Southwest and Frontier. I know lots of others who do the same.
So that means we are part of the "Southwest crowd". Do you only like us when we fly Frontier?

If going on (or returning from) a cruise, for example, you especially can't beat Southwest's baggage policy. I therefore guess that most cruisers are part of the "Southwest crowd", even the ones who book suites?

As to their boarding policy, I think Frontier could learn something from Southwest. It's really nice to be able to choose a seat, at boarding time, which is away from the screaming baby, which gives the overweight person an empty seat next to him/her, or one that is next to the cute single girl

When I reserve a seat online, ahead of time, I have no idea whom I'll be sitting next to.
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by UAL4life
It talks of changing the name to "New Air" or "New Air Airlines" (stupid I know) and removing all Animal livery.
Taking a page from saveskymiles, how about somebody set up a web site for savethoseanimals? @:-)

This is one of the dumbest branding moves I've seen since Acura dropped its hugely respected Legend nameplate in favor of alphabet soup.
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by nsx
Taking a page from saveskymiles, how about somebody set up a web site for savethoseanimals? @:-)

This is one of the dumbest branding moves I've seen since Acura dropped its hugely respected Legend nameplate in favor of alphabet soup.
A pilot for F9 has setup a group on FaceBook to help save the animals "KEEP THE FRONTIER BRAND AND ANIMALS!!!"

It has a ton of F9 employees, and other loyal fliers... Plus it has tons of photos from different F9 ops...
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by UAL4life
It talks of changing the name to "New Air" or "New Air Airlines" (stupid I know) and removing all Animal livery. Really sad, its creating quite a ruckus at DEN internally.
I'm pretty sure that is just a generic name they put on the surveys to get people's reaction to a different name.
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Old Mar 1, 2010 | 4:06 pm
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Keeping the Midwest name with the Frontier animals would be better than New Air. Have cookies, meals and DirectTV in all the aircraft.
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Old Mar 1, 2010 | 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by n735
Keeping the Midwest name with the Frontier animals would be better than New Air. Have cookies, meals and DirectTV in all the aircraft.
Why would it be better to have Midwest? I would think people would prefer to keep the animals, DirecTV, the Frontier brand... If it came down to the name or the cookies, forget the cookies. We need something that people will remember for longer than the time it takes for them to shove a cookie in their mouth..
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