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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

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Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 12:43 pm
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I guess it also depends what class you travel in, and how much you want to compromise on destination and time spent. You can probably get slightly lower than 3.2 with some AA or CX economy routes, but that already sounds pretty good.

And probably the absolute value matters too. Cannot really compare 2000 points on short-haul, with 20000 points routings or even 60000 points on long-haul business class.
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
I guess it also depends what class you travel in, and how much you want to compromise on destination and time spent. You can probably get slightly lower than 3.2 with some AA or CX economy routes, but that already sounds pretty good.
In today's Lumo-world both AA and CX are a bit less desirable. Actually I can get to the same 3.2 cent result with quite varying options, including European Value tickets and long haul promotional business class tickets as well. Nothing ex-HEL though, as ex-HEL tends to be nonstops.

Absolute value matters of course. Previously I did not have to consider this kind of math at all as exceeding the regular Plat threshold has not been too much of a challenge lately, but the bar for Lumo is actually quite high. To get to 450k, daily average earnings should be 1 233 points
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 12:54 pm
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In the interval 2,5-3 cents (a bit difficult to put an exact number as I usullay don't buy tickets in €, and SEK is currently in a slump) is good value to me. In J.
I do not travel Y, but I guess 1,5 cents/point could be seen as good value.
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 12:54 pm
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I thin I’ve done quite a bit with around 2.2-2.4 cents per tier point.
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by intuition
but I guess 1,5 cents/point could be seen as good value.
That deceased exARN Special price to HEL via PRG was 1,5 cents in Light. 47€uros and 3125 points
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Old Apr 12, 2018, 11:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Trav1970
could get the ticket price down to 3.2 cents per earned tier point

Sounds exorbitant. For mileage running purposes, I would say that for AY+ it should be somewhere around max. 2 cents per tier point.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 12:22 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
That deceased exARN Special price to HEL via PRG was 1,5 cents in Light. 47€uros and 3125 points
I was thinking about a DEL in value, but yes, it is only at that point Y travel might be interesting.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 12:31 am
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Originally Posted by esledo

Sounds exorbitant. For mileage running purposes, I would say that for AY+ it should be somewhere around max. 2 cents per tier point.
Well, I am not planning for mileage runs for the sake of mileage runs. All I am trying to do is optimize some leisure travel for maximum point earnings. Thus, I would not travel to ÖÖZ with same plane turnaround just to earn points. So the ticket can be a bit more expensive than the optimal, but it should not be much more expensive. Preferably J...
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by Trav1970
Well, I am not planning for mileage runs for the sake of mileage runs. All I am trying to do is optimize some leisure travel for maximum point earnings. Thus, I would not travel to ÖÖZ with same plane turnaround just to earn points. So the ticket can be a bit more expensive than the optimal, but it should not be much more expensive. Preferably J...
I am in this category too, albeit not at lumo level. I mostly travel to places I want to go, but make sure I earn as much as possible for the decent priced ticket.

What you should consider is looking for good priced value tickets. As you have a tonne of upgrades and you have the "promise" of them always clearing those will be safe bets on getting good amount of points for money, while not having to camp out on 58Ö.
(This would be my strategy if I was lumo, but the 450k requirement is an icebucket to me.)


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In ancient times when no value existed, the upgrades were a mixed blessing. Burning 3LH vouchers each year made it more difficult to earn points and stay platinum.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 1:37 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
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In ancient times when no value existed, the upgrades were a mixed blessing. Burning 3LH vouchers each year made it more difficult to earn points and stay platinum.
Even today. I have been burning my points and vouchers this year so that I will end up losing Plat for next round. Second reason is my revenue tickets booked on the dark side, but anyway.
I might still do it to Plat but realistically I have kind of given up already and mentally preparing for the next round for comeback. Feeling stressy alrady now
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 1:49 am
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The 2 cents per tier point target sounded quite aggressive, so I ended up putting a few types of itineraries to a table with the related points earnings (as a Plat), and the allowed cost of the ticket at various prices per tier point. It would seem to me that some cheapo offer in either Value or Light might do the trick when it's not ex-HEL. Some promotional J fare from Europe could theoretically also be under 1000 euros, but I don't ever recall seeing such fares.

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Old Apr 13, 2018, 2:23 am
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Great table. I keep a few of the price points in my head (like Europe-LH J is OK in the 1300-1600 interval) but this makes it easier to see that some other fares could/should be considered.
And yes, having a connecting flight is what makes the TP/€ go to the bright side.

Can anyone tell me about routes that are bookable in the (N.) Europe-Europe via HEL category? From CPH many destinations are usually not bookable on AY.com or only bookable in D, e.g. CPH-TXL for €3000+ ...
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
Great table. I keep a few of the price points in my head (like Europe-LH J is OK in the 1300-1600 interval) but this makes it easier to see that some other fares could/should be considered.
And yes, having a connecting flight is what makes the TP/€ go to the bright side.

Can anyone tell me about routes that are bookable in the (N.) Europe-Europe via HEL category? From CPH many destinations are usually not bookable on AY.com or only bookable in D, e.g. CPH-TXL for €3000+ ...
TLL should be quite good at least, as well as the likes of TMP, TKU, KUO, KTT, OUL, KAO etc.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 3:25 am
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just booked ARN-HEL-BUD <150€
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 4:05 am
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
just booked ARN-HEL-BUD <150€
One way or return? In light or value?
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