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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Aug 10, 2017, 9:37 pm
  #916  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
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Originally Posted by aama
AA fligths earn always at least 100% on AY and there's plenty of good MR rates all year round, especially from ARN.
That is true, but earlier this year, when I had a trip to NYC, had to get the HEL-JFK-HEL tickets from AY bucket, as I wanted to upgrade to J. And I have to say, it was IMPOSSIBLE to get 100% earning tickets...

Even called up platinum line to help me book it, and multiple of them could have only booked either 50% earning one (could do that myself on the website, too) or 150% earning one (for horror price, so no thanks...). Ended up with an S class ticket, so earned ~3K points less than with an AA economy ticket, but this way I could upgrade the JFK-HEL segment.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 12:24 am
  #917  
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Originally Posted by Steve_Hun
... it was IMPOSSIBLE to get 100% earning tickets...

Even called up platinum line to help me book it, and multiple of them could have only booked either 50% earning one (could do that myself on the website, too) or 150% earning one (for horror price, so no thanks...). ...
That is pretty interesting.

When AY introduced the ticket types (LI/BA/VA/PR) they also issued a guide to their agents how to upsell and book Value - well aware that normal fare searches always returns cheapest price in every fare class even for travel agents.

Now, this obviously wasn't a ticket with ticket types, but it is rather amazing that not even AY employed staff knows how to book a certain fare class (and earn more money). Or perhaps all 100% earning fares were zeroed out?
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 12:34 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
That is pretty interesting.

Or perhaps all 100% earning fares were zeroed out?
According to expertflyer, there were plenty tickets available in K/P/M/T classess, but absolutely no luck in booking into those. Would have been willing to pay an extra 1-200 € for those tickets, but never even got to the point of getting a quotation on them.

As said, the "best" they could have gotten me was a B class ticket for the same price I could have already gotten a J ticket...

I personally was pretty sure that AY agents can simply select which booking class to book into a specific ticket, but that is obviously not the case.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 6:56 am
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Yeah, it's a problem if you want to upgrade an AY-operated TATL. As a consolation, you get the tier bonus, and the zone-based rounding up to 8000 km. So still more than 50% kilometerage.

But I think, even if you could find K, P, M or T fares, AA tickets are often much cheaper than AY to start with. For whatever reasons, that I ignore. So the price difference would likely be awful.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 3:24 am
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I want to go either to BKK, SIN or SGN in Feb-Apr (flexible dates). Ticket needs to be Value and LH segment in AY to use the expiring vouchers.

Ideally I would like to have a EUR1-HEL / HEL-ASIA / ASIA-HEL / HEL-EUR2 to maximize the earnings and to have two extra European vacations for "free".

I tried to use the multi city search, but it seems that at least for ex-Germany selecting value adds on the price significantly (200-300€ range more than Basic). Any tips / suggested routing for me to search more?
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 3:29 am
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I know only about C tix

But take a look at the usual culprits - PRG, WAW, BUD, return or open jaw. Also ex-AMS I saw good (C) prices for Japan recently.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 4:44 am
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ARN, WAW, PRA, TLL and BUD should offer you cheap value tickets. But the multi-city search on Finnair isn't very good. If you are HEL-based and want stopovers in HEL before the EU flights, what I would do is search for RT flights BUD-SGN-BUD. There is generally ample availability in the lower fare buckets for the feeder flights, so it is more a question of finding R fare bucket availability for the long haul flights. Once you do find dates with availability on the LH segments, you can perform a multi-city search using the dates you want for the feeder segments.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 1:53 pm
  #923  
 
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Originally Posted by Furry
I want to go either to BKK, SIN or SGN in Feb-Apr (flexible dates). Ticket needs to be Value and LH segment in AY to use the expiring vouchers.

Ideally I would like to have a EUR1-HEL / HEL-ASIA / ASIA-HEL / HEL-EUR2 to maximize the earnings and to have two extra European vacations for "free".

I tried to use the multi city search, but it seems that at least for ex-Germany selecting value adds on the price significantly (200-300€ range more than Basic). Any tips / suggested routing for me to search more?
What about cuba?
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Old Aug 17, 2017, 1:21 am
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I tried looking for XXX-PVR-XXX flights through HEL to see if they were cheaper than the once weekly diret HEL-PVR-HEL flights. It looks like Finnair only has fares loaded for direct HEL-PVR flights and I suspect this may be the case with Cuba as well.
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Old Aug 17, 2017, 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by deissi
It looks like Finnair only has fares loaded for direct HEL-PVR flights and I suspect this may be the case with Cuba as well.
Well other Northern European cities like STO and TLL work, but it is not cheaper to fly from there to Cuba than from HEL.
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Old Sep 5, 2017, 6:12 am
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what's up with AA tickets not showing on momondo?

Anyone? Why doesn't AA-ticket versions of trans-Atlantic flights show on momondo for instance? I Think it was the same on skyscanner.
IB, BA and AY shows up as normal. But AA-version of those same tickets doesn't show up. However, clicking on some of the OTA links will lead you to them. But I just can't get why they aren't visible on momondo.


It's the AA-ticket I want, not their metal.
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Old Sep 5, 2017, 10:32 am
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AA has had some spat with the GDS in the past. Maybe there are still some disagreements?

You can always try to find the same flights directly from AA.com, or using ITA matrix and one of the ad-hoc browser extensions.
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Old Sep 5, 2017, 4:10 pm
  #928  
 
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Originally Posted by seldomrfly
Anyone? Why doesn't AA-ticket versions of trans-Atlantic flights show on momondo for instance? I Think it was the same on skyscanner.
IB, BA and AY shows up as normal. But AA-version of those same tickets doesn't show up. However, clicking on some of the OTA links will lead you to them. But I just can't get why they aren't visible on momondo.


It's the AA-ticket I want, not their metal.
I thought about this few years back, because they do show on vertaa.fi for example.

Must be something to do with AA & 3rd party sites.
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 1:33 am
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I have bought several AA-coded tickets on Expedia during the summer.
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Old Sep 9, 2017, 11:30 am
  #930  
 
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Has anyone flown AA's Basic Economy product and credited to AY? These tickets book into 'B' fare class, which AY has listed as earning 100%, but I am curious if that is leftover from when B was a decent economy fare code.

So, any data points on whether AA BE fares earn AY points or not? Thanks!
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