Joint ventures making it difficult to book Finnair metal?
Mar 22, 2016, 2:46 am
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FWIW, name change was not possible on these Japan tickets I have. It was new to me. Just a data point.
Also, while looking around some tickets due to pax changes I tried to find out alternatives, I found that HEL-LHR-NRT/HND-KIX was cheaper on JAL business than AY HEL-KIX. What an amateur move from me to go pass that mileage opportunity
Oh well, talk about China network strategy. Seems that Japan it is for AY still, given that they added also FUK. Go figure. OTish comment, nevermind...
Also, while looking around some tickets due to pax changes I tried to find out alternatives, I found that HEL-LHR-NRT/HND-KIX was cheaper on JAL business than AY HEL-KIX. What an amateur move from me to go pass that mileage opportunity
Oh well, talk about China network strategy. Seems that Japan it is for AY still, given that they added also FUK. Go figure. OTish comment, nevermind...
Mar 22, 2016, 8:38 am
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May 23, 2016, 1:28 am
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IB to be included
Last week, Finnair released this news:
So IB is to be included in the Japan joint venture.
First of all it is difficult to understand what IB will be able to offer spanish customers that isn't already readily available through other OW partners. Sure, a direct flight, but flying time compared to the AY option can't be that much of an improvement.
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mad-nrt;m...X=540x540&PM=*
Secondly, what benefit will this offer non-spanish "customers travelling between Europe and Japan"? Finnair will start to promote the HEL-MAD-NRT route on their website? From CPH we will get yet another mad option CPH-LHR-MAD-NRT?
I just wish they would cut the BS about "greater benefits to customers" when we all know this is only about limiting competition and controlling the price.
The first step has been taken to enable Iberia to join British Airways, Finnair and Japan Airlines (JAL) in their successful joint business on flights between Europe and Japan. JAL has submitted its application to the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism (MLIT) seeking antitrust immunity with Iberia to cooperate on flights between Europe and Japan. Iberia has already announced the launch of a new non-stop flight between Madrid and Tokyo Narita, which will start from October 18, 2016. The four airlines intend to cooperate commercially by sharing revenue and by coordinating flight schedules and fares in order to offer greater benefits to customers travelling between Europe and Japan.
First of all it is difficult to understand what IB will be able to offer spanish customers that isn't already readily available through other OW partners. Sure, a direct flight, but flying time compared to the AY option can't be that much of an improvement.
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mad-nrt;m...X=540x540&PM=*
Secondly, what benefit will this offer non-spanish "customers travelling between Europe and Japan"? Finnair will start to promote the HEL-MAD-NRT route on their website? From CPH we will get yet another mad option CPH-LHR-MAD-NRT?
I just wish they would cut the BS about "greater benefits to customers" when we all know this is only about limiting competition and controlling the price.
May 23, 2016, 2:29 am
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Dec 13, 2018, 1:01 pm
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I am glad I found this peace of discussion!
Has anyone been contacting Finnair or heard anything new regarding this? Or has great hacks yo overcome the fact that there are no 100% (value) tickets available to Japan and US?
This is actually idiotic system for Finnair plus customers. There is no chance to get 100% with finnair to these destinations with reasonable price. You can buy cheap 50% ticket. You can get 100% with partners but not finnair where no biz upgrades with finnair points.
I want to go to US and Japan but keep selecting other destinations to get points and be able to use upgrades 😆
Has anyone been contacting Finnair or heard anything new regarding this? Or has great hacks yo overcome the fact that there are no 100% (value) tickets available to Japan and US?
This is actually idiotic system for Finnair plus customers. There is no chance to get 100% with finnair to these destinations with reasonable price. You can buy cheap 50% ticket. You can get 100% with partners but not finnair where no biz upgrades with finnair points.
I want to go to US and Japan but keep selecting other destinations to get points and be able to use upgrades 😆
Dec 13, 2018, 1:07 pm
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Dec 13, 2018, 1:18 pm
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I am glad I found this peace of discussion!
Has anyone been contacting Finnair or heard anything new regarding this? Or has great hacks yo overcome the fact that there are no 100% (value) tickets available to Japan and US?
This is actually idiotic system for Finnair plus customers. There is no chance to get 100% with finnair to these destinations with reasonable price. You can buy cheap 50% ticket. You can get 100% with partners but not finnair where no biz upgrades with finnair points.
I want to go to US and Japan but keep selecting other destinations to get points and be able to use upgrades 😆
Has anyone been contacting Finnair or heard anything new regarding this? Or has great hacks yo overcome the fact that there are no 100% (value) tickets available to Japan and US?
This is actually idiotic system for Finnair plus customers. There is no chance to get 100% with finnair to these destinations with reasonable price. You can buy cheap 50% ticket. You can get 100% with partners but not finnair where no biz upgrades with finnair points.
I want to go to US and Japan but keep selecting other destinations to get points and be able to use upgrades 😆
Dec 14, 2018, 1:08 pm
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Kinda related, I just thought about my upcoming premium economy booking I have pending. Irrespecive if I book BA or AA or AY for TATL, the earnings are 100% points -> I think then the better way is to choose, instead of AY code, either BA or AA code on the LHR-USA sector, since then there is a chance to find a fellow FTer whom I might find nice enough to reach out with an SWU for business (is there similar mechanism for BA?), right?
Dec 14, 2018, 2:02 pm
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Dec 14, 2018, 2:07 pm
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That's exactly where I pointed with the last sentence. However, if there would be more trips in a year, paying once for a multiple entry 1-year visa could pay-off. Everyone's math, though.
Dec 14, 2018, 4:24 pm
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AY/DY/SK HEL-ARN
SK ARN-LED (S7 possible as an alternative to SK seasonally two days a week)
AY LED-HEL
AY HEL-XXX
You might be unable to move your bags from SK to AY in LED without a visa. If you do the HEL-ARN-LED-HEL circle quickly, then you may be able to check in the bags in HEL for the HEL-XXX flight before leaving HEL for the first time. Might not work at all in the other direction due to the luggage problem.