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Censors:
Delta Points (Rens Points)
Frugal Travel Guy
Milesabound - censors himself on rants
milesforfamily
MileValue
Million Mile Secrets
Very Good Points
Point Me To The Plane
Flyertalk
Travel Blogger Buzz - (proof is TBBs own words here)
TravelSkills
The Points Guy
The Points of Life
GodSaveThePoints
One Mile at a Time


Does Not Censor:
First2Board
Fishing4Deals
Food, Wine, and Miles
Hack My Trip
Head for Points
Miles From Blighty
Miles To The Wild
Points Summary
The Points Jock - Bill of Rights +1
ThreadTripping
Traveling Well For Less
Wald Around The World
Will Run For Miles
Doctor of Credit
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Old Jun 14, 2013 | 9:29 pm
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They decided after my results to not have me mention their name and I'm ok with that.

I think the blog's readers would love to learn the company's name; in fact, they SHOULD know the company name out of respect for their time! If not posting the name of it, what was the purpose of the blog post? Was it to speak highly of Uber and, you know, pass your affiliate links (two because one apparently was not enough)?

I think you should change your handle to Ingy because it is obvious keeping it as is remains quite controversial as we have trouble distinguishing who we are talking about when we refer to "Frugal Travel Guy".

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Old Jun 14, 2013 | 9:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy
1. my position on active blog owners taking comps has not changed. I dont think they should. I am no longer a blog owner. that is what has changed. a blog just happens to have the same name as my FT handle. I should probably think about going back it Ingy as my FT handle.

2. I don't think they are censoring what I say, but can't deny the post in question has been change. I had no idea until you brought it up. I can write whatever I want, and if they feel they need to edit, I'm ok with that. They own the blog, not me. "Their blog Their rules."
Ok, sounds like if you write for a blog, but don't own it, it's ok to take a comp? But it's not ok if you own the blog and have full control over what gets published? That's some serious gymnastics from what you wrote a few posts back which sounded like it was ok as long as you had full control over what you wrote. If anything I'd think that would lead to the argument that only blog owners should take comps. Or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?
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Old Jun 14, 2013 | 11:23 pm
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not owning the blog that bears your name (handle) but at the same time writing for it full of all kinds of affiliate links, to me, is just a weird thing.

no offense though.
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 9:20 am
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Ok, sounds like if you write for a blog, but don't own it, it's ok to take a comp? But it's not ok if you own the blog and have full control over what gets published? That's some serious gymnastics from what you wrote a few posts back which sounded like it was ok as long as you had full control over what you wrote. If anything I'd think that would lead to the argument that only blog owners should take comps. Or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?
Just making it up as I go along

In all seriousness, just surprised that a company offers to send me a $75 credit to try there service and that is all that is left to talk about on this forum? I guess it is not surprising when a the big news of the day is $10 off a $50 gift card. This game is nothing like it used to be. So much to do about nothing

And to the previous poster, it is really weird to have comments made about FTG and not really know if they are about me personally or the blog FTG. Hopefully as time goes on and I continue to move in others peoples minds from blogger to travel hacker it will get less confusing.

As far as changing my handle back to Ingy, I'd be all for it except George suggested it and George is "Angry" and a Greek Financial planner. My Daddy always told me never do what a Greek Financial Planner tells you, you "SHOULD" do.

Happy Fathers Day buddy

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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 10:59 am
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Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy
As far as changing my handle back to Ingy, I'd be all for it except George suggested it and George is "Angry" and a Greek Financial planner. My Daddy always told me never do what a Greek Financial Planner tells you, you "SHOULD" do.
I will let others decide about replying in such a typically classy flippant manner^

Thanks for addressing my post so eloquently once again and respecting your readers:

I think the blog's readers would love to learn the company's name; in fact, they SHOULD know the company name out of respect for their time! If not posting the name of it, what was the purpose of the blog post? Was it to speak highly of Uber and, you know, pass your affiliate links (two because one apparently was not enough)?


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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:26 pm
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Ouch

Originally Posted by HikerT
Ok, sounds like if you write for a blog, but don't own it, it's ok to take a comp? But it's not ok if you own the blog and have full control over what gets published? That's some serious gymnastics from what you wrote a few posts back which sounded like it was ok as long as you had full control over what you wrote. If anything I'd think that would lead to the argument that only blog owners should take comps. Or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?
Well said, HikerT.

I have followed Rick for many years and truly respected the advice he used to give. I felt sorry for him as he started getting "competition" for what he did from all sides. And, yes, people did seem "angry" with him, maybe because he was older, heavier, and more right-wing than the average reader. Some were probably very jealous that he was able to make money off his hobby---this always rankles some of the hardcore internet fringe elements who think everything must be free.

Of course, the anonymity of the internet made it easy for people to take shots at him.

So it is a sad day for me to see someone I respected now give such weaselly answers, and resort to personal insults (against George).

I don't know if he can see his own faults or understand he has changed. It's almost as if he is too close to it all. Maybe it is time for him to step away for awhile...

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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:43 pm
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Funny all FTG does is defend a blog he doesn't "own" (and quite often he is allowed to mock the posters in the process.) Just look at his recent months' post history, his primary purpose of being on FT is to respond to any anti-FTG comment he can find. So much for contributing to the community, eh?

The fact remains that for one reason or another, FlyerTalk is OK with FTG launching personal attacks on other posters on a regular basis. I know it isn't tolerated, I've had my own posts removed couple of times. He is just the exception to the rule.

PS: This is not a post against the volunteer MODs who spend countless hours daily to help the community. This is a problem which lies with IB owning both FT and FTG, and giving FTG a free pass.

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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy
1. my position on active blog owners taking comps has not changed. I dont think they should. I am no longer a blog owner. that is what has changed. a blog just happens to have the same name as my FT handle. I should probably think about going back it Ingy as my FT handle.

2. I don't think they are censoring what I say, but can't deny the post in question has been change. I had no idea until you brought it up. I can write whatever I want, and if they feel they need to edit, I'm ok with that. They own the blog, not me. "Their blog Their rules."
So effin disingenuous! Most people have no idea that FTG "the person" doesn't own FTG "the blog" - or that someone else exercises editorial control.

Seems to me there's a convenient fiction being presented to the blog's readers. Your face shows up repeatedly - but when criticism is leveled at your posts, you disavow responsibility by saying it's "their" blog. Makes me want to spit in disgust at how shady that is.

Seems to me there are ties that bind - ties that all have $$ attached to them...
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 1:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Frank Joseph
Well said, HikerT.

I have followed Rick for many years and truly respected the advice he used to give. I felt sorry for him as he started getting "competition" for what he did from all sides. And, yes, people did seem "angry" with him, maybe because he was older, heavier, and more right-wing than the average reader. Some were probably very jealous that he was able to make money off his hobby---this always rankles some of the hardcore internet fringe elements who think everything must be free.

Of course, the anonymity of the internet made it easy for people to take shots at him.

So it is a sad day for me to see someone I respected now give such weaselly answers, and resort to personal insults (against George).

I don't know if he can see his own faults or understand he has changed. It's almost as if he is too close to it all. Maybe it is time for him to step away for awhile...
so I guess it is ok for the anon, including George, to take all the shots they want, but I'm whining when I fight back? It seems I'm the only one fighting back? The other bloggers are just smart enough to ignore the nameless, faceless cowards on the Internet.

Dont worry anons, you won't have me to kick around much longer. I'm almost done. I'm guessing your next target will be Daraius or Rene as they seem to occasionally push back at the 1% of the 1% you represent.

It has been a great ride for me with all the positive comments and feedback I've received over the years. Your insignificant numbers in relation to the positives just substantiate how small of a minority you are. I never wanted to say it out loud but the majority of positive comments and emails I get have suggested it is envy and jealousy that drive the anger. Kind of like " I could have done that".

But you didn't, so we bloggers that did, and made a huge financial success, get the heat?

I always had more faith in humans, particularly the early group of Flyer-talkers that were so giving, supportive and such a fun loving group. I guess the majority is right and envy and jealousy drive this new minority faction. Best of luck to ya
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy
so I guess it is ok for the anon, including George, to take all the shots they want, but I'm whining when I fight back? It seems I'm the only one fighting back? The other bloggers are just smart enough to ignore the nameless, faceless cowards on the Internet.

Dont worry anons, you won't have me to kick around much longer. I'm almost done. I'm guessing your next target will be Daraius or Rene as they seem to occasionally push back at the 1% of the 1% you represent.

It has been a great ride for me with all the positive comments and feedback I've received over the years. Your insignificant numbers in relation to the positives just substantiate how small of a minority you are. I never wanted to say it out loud but the majority of positive comments and emails I get have suggested it is envy and jealousy that drive the anger. Kind of like " I could have done that".

But you didn't, so we bloggers that did, and made a huge financial success, get the heat?

I always had more faith in humans, particularly the early group of Flyer-talkers that were so giving, supportive and such a fun loving group. I guess the majority is right and envy and jealousy drive this new minority faction. Best of luck to ya
Any time you put a product into the marketplace you are going to have fans and detractors.

Some companies have entire websites dedicated to mocking and tearing them down (hello, u n t i e d. com!). Some of the criticisms are fair, many unfair.

But that does not mean that there is not great value in addressing issues when things go wrong. Everyone makes mistakes and there is great value in companies admitting to their mistakes.

And sometimes companies take decisions detrimental to their customers. The WORST thing they can do in these instances is sell these detriments as 'enhancements,' because then not only are they hurting their customers, they are insulting their intelligence at the same time.

But at the end of the day, generally speaking, no matter how hot the criticism gets, the best business practice is to stay positive. Ultimately the marketplace will decide if you are doing things right or wrong, not your vocal fans nor detractors.

I have great respect for bloggers like you who engage in this forum. It takes guts. The kind of guts that many bloggers appear to lack (and yes, MMS running away from the plagiarism 'scandal' is a prime example of that). So thank you for being here and defending your posts. But I do think you ought to think about what are best business practices, no matter how hot some of your customers get. Because I am sure that I am not alone in feeling a little offended and put off with the talk about envy and jealousy from FlyerTalkers.

Always remember: FlyerTalkers are your customers AND the river in which you pan for gold. Without FlyerTalkers, points and miles bloggers would not exist. So respect the girl what brung ya to the dance! ^
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
Any time you put a product into the marketplace you are going to have fans and detractors.

Some companies have entire websites dedicated to mocking and tearing them down (hello, u n t i e d. com!). Some of the criticisms are fair, many unfair.

But that does not mean that there is not great value in addressing issues when things go wrong. Everyone makes mistakes and there is great value in companies admitting to their mistakes.

And sometimes companies take decisions detrimental to their customers. The WORST thing they can do in these instances is sell these detriments as 'enhancements,' because then not only are they hurting their customers, they are insulting their intelligence at the same time.

But at the end of the day, generally speaking, no matter how hot the criticism gets, the best business practice is to stay positive. Ultimately the marketplace will decide if you are doing things right or wrong, not your vocal fans nor detractors.

I have great respect for bloggers like you who engage in this forum. It takes guts. The kind of guts that many bloggers appear to lack (and yes, MMS running away from the plagiarism 'scandal' is a prime example of that). So thank you for being here and defending your posts. But I do think you ought to think about what are best business practices, no matter how hot some of your customers get. Because I am sure that I am not alone in feeling a little offended and put off with the talk about envy and jealousy from FlyerTalkers.

Always remember: FlyerTalkers are your customers AND the river in which you pan for gold. Without FlyerTalkers, points and miles bloggers would not exist. So respect the girl what brung ya to the dance! ^
Koko, that was the best response ever to a post by a blogger in this forum. it was civilized and tried to get to the meat of the discussion. I appreciate that. please REread my comment. I never said that I want to agree with envy and jealousy being the motivation for the "angries". the majority of my readers have suggested it to me. And at this point with my involvement winding down, and no other explanation of why such vile comments are made about miles and points blogs, one has to consider all possibilities.

I actually hope, for clarity's
sake, to be able to answer all of your questions some day. I hope that has become evident to all of you by my participation in these discussions no matter how many times you feel it necessary to call me a douce bag, or disgusting. it just comes with he territory. I admit it hurts, but in the scheme of life, it is nothing more than angry comments from a super minority.

in the event other posters want a civilized discussion, I will stand ready to do what I can to answer questions civilly within my current legal constraints.

thanks again koko
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Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy

As far as changing my handle back to Ingy, I'd be all for it except George suggested it and George is "Angry" and a Greek Financial planner. My Daddy always told me never do what a Greek Financial Planner tells you, you "SHOULD" do.

Happy Fathers Day buddy
Are you referring to the Greeks being correct that austerity doesn't work? http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...gination=false. Way to keep it classy.
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 2:59 pm
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Totally Inappropriate - How Can It Be tolerated??

Originally Posted by Frugal Travel Guy
Just making it up as I go along

As far as changing my handle back to Ingy, I'd be all for it except George suggested it and George is "Angry" and a Greek Financial planner. My Daddy always told me never do what a Greek Financial Planner tells you, you "SHOULD" do.
I am a mere newbie and have only been reading points and miles blogs as well as FT for barely six months. But one does not need to know any FT or FTG history to see such a post as completely inappropriate. Perhaps it was meant as a joke but such jokes are not at all funny. I rather think it was written in such a way that FTG/Ingy could claim it was meant as a joke when it was indeed intended to be just plain nasty. This characterization is insulting and demeaning. The ground rules around here are supposed to prevent such personal attacks, aren't they?

If you don't understand how wrong such a post is, try substituting the word "Greek" with the word "Jewish" or "Black" or any other ethnic identity, whether it be your own or someone else's. Such posting should not be tolerated. At all. Ever.

Mods, can you please step in and make this go away?

Thank you.
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 3:02 pm
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I am a mere newbie and have only been reading points and miles blogs as well as FT for barely six months. But one does not need to know any FT or FTG history to see such a post as completely inappropriate. Perhaps it was meant as a joke but such jokes are not at all funny. I rather think it was written in such a way that FTG/Ingy could claim it was meant as a joke when it was indeed intended to be just plain nasty. This characterization is insulting and demeaning. The ground rules around here are supposed to prevent such personal attacks, aren't they?

If you don't understand how wrong such a post is, try substituting the word "Greek" with the word "Jewish" or "Black" or any other ethnic identity, whether it be your own or someone else's. Such posting should not be tolerated. At all. Ever.

Mods, can you please step in and make this go away?

Thank you.
The little red triangle with the exclamation point in the middle on the bottom left of each post is your opportunity to alert moderators to posts you think violate the rules of FT. @:-)
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