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Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 pm

#16

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Originally Posted by east_west

These are the loads for BR's US destinations for the most recently available quarter for which there is public data:
[4th column == # of flight pairs per day]
[5th column == # of px]
[6th column == # of seats]
[7th column == #px/#seats]

Code:

SFO TPE BR 2.01 100360 121353 0.83
LAX TPE BR 2.91 138554 170026 0.81
JFK TPE BR 1.62 76827 97236 0.79
SEA TPE BR 1.28 62668 80137 0.78
IAH TPE BR 1.01 46172 60273 0.77
ORD TPE BR 0.58 24961 34279 0.73

Does that mean their passengers are all pretty thin (<1 per seat)?

Seriously, I think they should really do IAD. ORD is a lot harder to transfer from UA with the terminal change.

Mar 25, 2018, 12:50 am

#17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yrs

I, personally, would like them to start service to IAD, and to destinations in India. Wishful thinking?

India unlikely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by east_west

Code:

SFO TPE BR 2.01 100360 121353 0.83
LAX TPE BR 2.91 138554 170026 0.81
JFK TPE BR 1.62 76827 97236 0.79
SEA TPE BR 1.28 62668 80137 0.78
IAH TPE BR 1.01 46172 60273 0.77
ORD TPE BR 0.58 24961 34279 0.73

There's public data available on the CAA side as well.

SFO
2018 81.8 82.4
2017 81.3 79.0 80.1 73.9 84.2 79.6 82.4 86.0 87.2 79.7 80.2 93.6

LAX
2018 84.9 86.5
2017 82.8 80.5 79.4 70.7 87.4 80.5 81.3 80.7 81.6 75.3 80.5 92.4

JFK
2018 82.2 85.0
2017 77.6 80.9 82.6 73.1 91.1 82.6 76.5 85.2 83.6 80.8 72.5 85.2

IAH
2018 73.5 83.8
2017 84.6 77.9 80.5 69.8 81.4 80.7 78.7 78.6 74.4 79.2 72.2 82.8

ORD
2018 76.2 80.1
2017 72.1 66.3 65.7 57.8 80.4 65.3 65.0 80.3 73.9 72.7 69.0 83.6

SEA
2018 89.5 88.1
2017 78.8 82.7 71.2 77.9 85.1 71.6 78.7 76.7 78.5 75.3 79.0 85.5

Mar 25, 2018, 11:43 am

#18

east_west

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coolfish1103

India unlikely.
There's public data available on the CAA side as well.

Thanks, I found the spreadsheets on the CAA website.

I noticed that as of Nov 4, 2018, BR's TPE->ORD flight arrival moves ahead from 9pm to 7:45pm. Is this a permanent change or just for the winter?

MCT for I->D at ORD is 75 for UA-UA flights and 90 minutes for others, so BR is inching ever so close to unlocking connections to UA's huge bank of flights to the midwest and east coast leaving ORD from 9:05pm to 9:15pm.

Mar 25, 2018, 11:57 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by east_west

That is the day the US Daylight Saving ends. 19:45 is the standard arrival time for the winter schedule.

Mar 25, 2018, 3:51 pm

#20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by east_west

This is the schedule adjustment they have for every destination when Daylight Savings starts/ends.

May 31, 2018, 12:02 pm

#21

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Anyone who reads Chinese have the latest load factors for ORD? CAA website in English isn't very helpful... Curious how it's doing as it's our preferred flight to go visit my wife's parents.

Jun 1, 2018, 10:12 am

#22

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The load for ORD for the past few months have been in the high 70s and low 80s. Definitely improved from the same period last year.

Their new 787-9 is now under final assembly in Charleston now. it might be deployed to japan from what I've heard.. we'll see if they will put premium economy on these..

Jun 1, 2018, 11:16 am

#23

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Originally Posted by flyingeverywhere1

The new 789 apparently have crew rests so PE is a high possibility. Japan will probably be crew familiarization/training.

ORD has been doing well compared to last year after they went through an aggressive and expensive ad/awareness campaign.

Jun 1, 2018, 4:11 pm

#24

kpottermn

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Still no word on RL seating on the 789s? Hard to see them squeezing in the same seats in 1-2-1 without some serious modifications.

Jun 1, 2018, 5:19 pm

#25

jackson112233

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kpottermn

Still no word on RL seating on the 789s? Hard to see them squeezing in the same seats in 1-2-1 without some serious modifications.

maybe in a 1-1-1 layout?

Jun 1, 2018, 7:49 pm

#26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kpottermn

Still no word on RL seating on the 789s? Hard to see them squeezing in the same seats in 1-2-1 without some serious modifications.

The RL seats are just a Zodiac Cirrus. They fit 1-2-1 on even an A330.

Jun 5, 2018, 9:48 pm

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Air New Zealand to use dry-leased 777s for grounded 787s | IATA AGM 2018 content from ATWOnline

Seems like there will be 1 77W going to NZ. Might not be a bad thing for BR since they have way too many 77W and do not utilize them fully..

Jun 6, 2018, 11:41 pm

#28

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Interesting as careful as BR is with stuff, they would dry-lease out their plane to other airlines.

Jun 10, 2018, 10:43 am

#29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by username

Interesting as careful as BR is with stuff, they would dry-lease out their plane to other airlines.

They got way too many 77Ws...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mdanner423

Anyone who reads Chinese have the latest load factors for ORD? CAA website in English isn't very helpful... Curious how it's doing as it's our preferred flight to go visit my wife's parents.

EVA ORD

2018/04 9,021/11,322 79.7
2018/03 9,867/11,655 84.7
2018/02 8,124/10,656 76.2
2018/01 11,735/14,652 80.1

2017/12 12,968/17,982 72.1
2017/11 8,616/12,987 66.3
2017/10 7,878/11,988 65.7
2017/09 6,736/11,655 57.8
2017/08 16,590/20,646 80.4
2017/07 13,486/20,666 65.3
2017/06 12,991/19,980 65.0
2017/05 10,429/12,987 80.3
2017/04 8,363/11,322 73.9
2017/03 8,721/11,988 72.7
2017/02 7,342/10,636 69.0
2017/01 10,016/11,988 83.6

Yes, an improvement... not sure if the costs are worthy.