Star Alliance Upgrade Award on EVA
Mar 25, 2018, 8:48 am
#62
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You clearly have reading reading comprehension problems so I see no point in responding to your misguided commentary.
Except to note that you're the one who got this wrong above:
Except to note that you're the one who got this wrong above:
Mar 25, 2018, 6:58 pm
#63
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No.
I class is the only class to check SAUA upgrade for BR using UA miles.
BR upgrade inventory is Z class. This includes EVA own mileage upgrade and electronic certificate. But it doesn’t make all of the Z inventory for SAUA upgrade. Those are I bucket (which is subset of Z). Thus there are cases where Z class is available but SAUA won’t clear.
I did a demo of this last year at a Chinese travel group on FB. EF showed Z only but no I. SAUA didn’t work.
No, this is definitely not correct IME. I have never once used SAUA on BR when I>0 - i.e., every time I have used SAUA on BR, it has been on a flight where Z>0 and I=0. The reason for this is that I only ever use SAUA for one-way tickets when straight award redemption is not available.
Mar 25, 2018, 7:04 pm
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No, this is definitely not correct IME. I have never once used SAUA on BR when I>0 - i.e., every time I have used SAUA on BR, it has been on a flight where Z>0 and I=0. The reason for this is that I only ever use SAUA for one-way tickets when straight award redemption is not available.
Mar 25, 2018, 10:38 pm
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No, this is definitely not correct IME. I have never once used SAUA on BR when I>0 - i.e., every time I have used SAUA on BR, it has been on a flight where Z>0 and I=0. The reason for this is that I only ever use SAUA for one-way tickets when straight award redemption is not available.
Mar 26, 2018, 12:15 am
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I am not sure how to make this even more clear.
Z class is BR J upgrade- this includes BR own mileage upgrade, BR own upgrade certificate. But not all of the Z bucket are allocated for SAUA (why would BR treat SAUA higher than its own passenger).
I class as is a subset of Z that is assigned to star alliance redemption (including upgrade). Both after clear will be Z even though it’s from I bucket.
Z is a separate class that rev. mgmt. updates once a day based on booking trends. However, those using SAUA have less priority then BR's own FF. Rev. mgmt. will clear the BR FF first before opening up more to SAUA. What is already out there is fair game.
Last edited by hayzel7773; Mar 26, 2018 at 12:22 am
Mar 26, 2018, 10:49 pm
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Interesting... Some people have said SAUA availability is I and some have said Z, within this thread and others.
Aeroplan agent couldn't do anything to check availability. EVA agent said they can't see SAUA availablility and said Z was not available. Still not bookable via Aeroplan or Asiana. EF and KVS show I availability and CS+ respectively; in these circumstances, I could have easily upgraded via Aeroplan already. Not sure what's going on.
Aeroplan agent couldn't do anything to check availability. EVA agent said they can't see SAUA availablility and said Z was not available. Still not bookable via Aeroplan or Asiana. EF and KVS show I availability and CS+ respectively; in these circumstances, I could have easily upgraded via Aeroplan already. Not sure what's going on.
I class is the only class to check SAUA upgrade for BR using UA miles.
BR upgrade inventory is Z class. This includes EVA own mileage upgrade and electronic certificate. But it doesn’t make all of the Z inventory for SAUA upgrade. Those are I bucket (which is subset of Z). Thus there are cases where Z class is available but SAUA won’t clear.
I did a demo of this last year at a Chinese travel group on FB. EF showed Z only but no I. SAUA didn’t work.
If I class is available but Aeroplan can’t open the ticket online. Just call. Please make sure it’s per segment.
BR upgrade inventory is Z class. This includes EVA own mileage upgrade and electronic certificate. But it doesn’t make all of the Z inventory for SAUA upgrade. Those are I bucket (which is subset of Z). Thus there are cases where Z class is available but SAUA won’t clear.
I did a demo of this last year at a Chinese travel group on FB. EF showed Z only but no I. SAUA didn’t work.
If I class is available but Aeroplan can’t open the ticket online. Just call. Please make sure it’s per segment.
These details are also reflected in the BR section of the KVS Tool User Guide.
Mar 27, 2018, 1:54 am
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Mar 27, 2018, 6:20 am
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Mar 27, 2018, 8:53 pm
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No, this is definitely not correct IME. I have never once used SAUA on BR when I>0 - i.e., every time I have used SAUA on BR, it has been on a flight where Z>0 and I=0. The reason for this is that I only ever use SAUA for one-way tickets when straight award redemption is not available.
Thanks everyone for your comments. Here is my hypothesis:
I've been trying to upgrade an SFO-TPE leg in the coming week using Aeroplan miles. There are three flights on the day: 17, 27, 7 departing at 0045, 0100, 1300 respectively. In the past two days, I've called EVA to change the flight from 17, to 27, to 7, trying to do SAUA at Aeroplan after each change. I also asked the EVA agent about availability of classes I and Z. Each flight had a different combination of factors, and it seemed enlightening to me:
BR 17, I not available, Z not available, EF says no, KVS says no, SAUA not possible
BR 27, I available, Z not available, EF says yes, KVS says yes, SAUA not possible
BR 7, I available, Z available, EF says yes, KVS says yes, SAUA possible
The circumstance of this particular day's BR 27 has never happened to me until this week. In the numerous times I've done SAUA on EVA flights from/to SFO, TPE, and CDG, if EF/KVS said yes, then SAUA was possible. Just based on this, it seems that both I and Z availability is required for SAUA. However, EF and KVS only show availability based on I. Now, I feel like I'll have to call EVA every time to confirm that Z is also available, before I try SAUA.
Hopefully others can use this and other comments in this thread as reference for their own SAUA experiences.
Apr 19, 2018, 12:38 am
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I do not know why you think it is magic. There is no magic. It is clear to me from reading this thread that the condition necessary for SAUA on BR is Z>0 which you had. In order to confirm Z availability you need to call BR. Neither KVS nor EF shows Z availability on BR so you need to call BR to confirm it.
Apr 19, 2018, 4:50 am
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More data points are always helpful when there is stubborn resistance to existing data points.
Apr 19, 2018, 6:05 pm
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