and if you look at the sched flights for 772 you will see that they are for Sat night to EWR and then odd after that to allow for the return flights - not on Sunday night when LY have the high number of commuters that can actually benifit from the new seats - another opportunity missed

Except for a Sat night flight out of EWR (and that after the plane have stayed on ground for more than 30 hours), LY does not have a night service from EWR to TLV. On Sun-Wed the plane departs EWR at 2:30PM and arrives TLV at 8AM. The Sun service from EWR is actually excellent for commuters who arrive TLV just in time for a new business day. With this schedule, the plane can make a round trip to Europe (AMS or LHR) and be back for the night departure to EWR from TLV. Who said that Sun night has more commuters?

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Originally Posted by steffa
and if you look at the sched flights for 772 you will see that they are for Sat night to EWR and then odd after that to allow for the return flights - not on Sunday night when LY have the high number of commuters that can actually benifit from the new seats -

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as one of them (commuters) i can tell you that all 12 weekly commuters fly Sun/Mon 001 back to Israel Thursday on various flights - actually some do fly the Sun/Mon 027

Hebrew website for the new 777s to sign up for a contest/drawing for free r/t flight to HKG and Macau.

http://www.elal777.co.il/

Can't they find anyone that speaks English at El Al? I just got an email entitled, "EL AL NEW BOING 777"

The El Al English website is littered with errors. Funny indeed given the number of American, Canadian, British and Australian Israeli residents. Also given the Israeli leadership in technology why is the website itself so clunky and flawed, take a look at Qantas (and many others) for a highly functional website.^

Let's not take this OT but in general Israelis are horrible at actually using technology. The cobbler that goes barefoot.

Take a look at the discussions here about road signage in Israel and here about the attractive dills in Sun Dor's web site. El Al website is no exception ...

ECF delivery Flight:
1028 19/08/2007 ECF PAEEWR 19/08/2007 03:35 19/08/2007 11:30
0028 19/08/2007 ECF EWRTLV 19/08/2007 14:30 20/08/2007 08:05



Both 777 will be at EWR that day.

4x - ECE will arrive into EWR as flight LY027 at 05:05 and depart EWR at 11:50.

19/08/2007 TLV 00:05 EWR 05:05 LY 027 772
19/08/2007 EWR 11:50 TLV 05:25 LY 042 772

So if no delays with delivery flight, both new 777 will be at EWR between 11:30 AM and 11:50 AM.

Tov, chevre. Just came off of ECE. Sat in Business. Here is my low-down:

The C seat is no doubt a significant upgrade from the old 777 seats. The "lie-flat" bed aspect is comparable to CO's BizFirst, though CO's are a bit wider. The new C seat is 100 times better than the previous 777 C seat, though not as wide as the old 744 C seat, but still better than the 744 seat since it really does lie flat. The cabin is significantly tighter since each unit is buliker and takes up more space. I noticed a lot less "personal space" in which to spread out - for example, there is no longer any place to put anything under the seat in front of you - its closed up. Not terrible, but lacking. One annoying "feature" of the C seat is that your seat controls (recline, footrest) become disabled if you open up your tray. Pretty stupid that you can't adjust recline if the tray is open. Also, the tray doesn't lie flat as it rests on the divider between you and your neighbor. Thus, your liquids are slanted and slide - a definite design flaw.

The Y seats seemed pretty decent to me. I sat in a Y seat for a little bit to try it out. It is wider than the old Y seats. Seemed to be genuine 34" pitch.

I didn't really have the opportunity to examine the F seats but from my observation, they seem to be indentical to the C seats, just in a tan color and there is more pitch, hence they lie flight at 180 degrees.

The AVOD system was really neat. Wide selection. BUT:
- They had to reset the system 4 times in-flight.
- They loaded the July movies, not the August one's listed in Atmosphere. I'll bet they got those pre-loaded by the manufacturer upon delivery (in July) and haven't yet figured out how to load the new movies onto the server!!! (How many times can I watch Premonition and Disturbia!?! BTW - why don't they swap movies twice a month like most airlines do these days?)

On that same note, the automated PA anouncements sounded VERY amatuerish - as if some employee in Tel Aviv made a recording at her desktop and e-mailed the file to Boeing for upload. Sounds REALLY unprofessional - both the Hebrew and the English. They would do much better to take the recordings currently in-use on the 744's and other 777's. At least those sound professional.

More nit-picking - the airshow has been upgrdaed and looks cool - but lacks 70% of the detail we used to get on the other planes (names of cities, etc.) Also - no Hebrew.

The mood-lighting was very cool. BUT - as usual the crew doesn't seem to have a clue how or when to use it. They applied it for all of 20 minutes during initial taxi to the runaway. That was it.

Isn't having more personal space what it's all about?
What is the point in introducing new seats if the general feeling is more cramped?

Or, they could get off their A***, do what other airlines do, and actually greet, and make "live" announcements instead of recorded one's.

Maybe that was a live announcement.
They usually have.

Nope - it was definetly recorded - the purser screwed up something on the controls half-way through and when they started it again it was the same exact thing - definetly a recording.

I just got off the 028 from EWR on Tue I can add that when trying to use the phone it also had to be reset and a couple of things about the seat I don�t find it being really flat I feel like I am on an angle and since the foot rest is a bit short for me I have to close it when sleeping "flat" and then I fell like nothing is holding me back from slipping off that angle. Also this may be a personal feeling that the seat was low I felt like I am on the floor did anybody else feel that way? Other than that it�s a great product.

Ok, so what makes it a great product then?