UAE flights
#16
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I would like to go to Dubai as well soon but I think that Israeli arrivals to DXB need to undergo a PCR test on arrival and then isolate at their hotels - https://www.emirates.com/english/hel...ents/tourists/
Looking at anecdotal feedback (Tripadvisor forum) this can take between 8 and 48hrs. So for a short trip it would be annoying if you were stuck for upto 2 days in your hotel room.
J
Looking at anecdotal feedback (Tripadvisor forum) this can take between 8 and 48hrs. So for a short trip it would be annoying if you were stuck for upto 2 days in your hotel room.
J
#17
Join Date: Jun 2011
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From Globes - over 60 weekly TLV-DXB flights from next month:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-o...nth-1001350864
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-o...nth-1001350864
#18
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From Globes - over 60 weekly TLV-DXB flights from next month:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-o...nth-1001350864
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-o...nth-1001350864
I guess this will fly or not fly well just yet, based on how the conditions are in these two countries with regard to self-isolation/quarantine requirements (or concerns about that) for December travel.
At least the Emirati carriers often try to attract short/mid-haul market customers with weekend/sub-week-long excursion fares that are affordable for (and bring in) mass market tourists. I don't expect TLV-UAE in economy class fares in December to be much worse than the high fares I'm getting hit with for sub-800 mile trips in Europe and in the US; if anything, I expect the UAE-serving tickets to be a sort of bargain if the market isn't too restricted because of the Covid-19 situation on one or both ends of the journey.
Last edited by GUWonder; Nov 25, 2020 at 6:40 pm
#19
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Watching channel 12 news a couple of nights ago it was mentioned that Israeli airlines were possibly not going to get permission to fly over Saudi airspace for a while. I guess this will have a major impact on the 60 flights a week.
J
J
#20
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Yes it is a potentially big problem. Especially for me - just got to Dubai now, booked one way on Flydubai there and return on Israir on Thursday. I would think thay Bibi and MBS will sort this out in time. The saudis already allowed some one-off Israeli flights so the taboo of Israeli overflights has already been broken.
#21
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In time, yes. The issue now is that MBS's father and his diminished camp is currently annoyed by MBS going around the king and unilaterally pulling off that Netanyahu visit without his dad's approval, and then -- to add insult to injury -- the MBS camp leaking out a video to publicly make his father look disoriented/enfeebled. The question really turns out to be how many Israel-serving flights will MBS allow over Saudi airspace in December before his father finds out and tries to put a stop to it, or if MBS will hold off for a bit so as not to find out who really is king still. MBS's father is not a fan of Netanyahu, and this covered potential disruption in flight service is a sign of just that.
#22
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https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-s...hts-1001351221
Yes it is a potentially big problem. Especially for me - just got to Dubai now, booked one way on Flydubai there and return on Israir on Thursday. I would think thay Bibi and MBS will sort this out in time. The saudis already allowed some one-off Israeli flights so the taboo of Israeli overflights has already been broken.
Yes it is a potentially big problem. Especially for me - just got to Dubai now, booked one way on Flydubai there and return on Israir on Thursday. I would think thay Bibi and MBS will sort this out in time. The saudis already allowed some one-off Israeli flights so the taboo of Israeli overflights has already been broken.
Israir received the overflight rights from the KSA
#23
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I would like to go to Dubai as well soon but I think that Israeli arrivals to DXB need to undergo a PCR test on arrival and then isolate at their hotels - https://www.emirates.com/english/hel...ents/tourists/
Looking at anecdotal feedback (Tripadvisor forum) this can take between 8 and 48hrs. So for a short trip it would be annoying if you were stuck for upto 2 days in your hotel room.
J
Looking at anecdotal feedback (Tripadvisor forum) this can take between 8 and 48hrs. So for a short trip it would be annoying if you were stuck for upto 2 days in your hotel room.
J
#24
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Did anyone notice on Flightaware that Israeli airlines (Arkia and Israir) take a longer route by half an hour than FlyDubai? The former cross Saudi Arabia and then turn north into DXB. The latter take a more direct route, that skirts just north of Qatar. Since Israel and Qatar don't have diplomatic relations, are the Israeli carriers trying extra hard to avoid the airspace? But wouldn't flights going to or from Israel be impacted on all competitors?
#25
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Did anyone notice on Flightaware that Israeli airlines (Arkia and Israir) take a longer route by half an hour than FlyDubai? The former cross Saudi Arabia and then turn north into DXB. The latter take a more direct route, that skirts just north of Qatar. Since Israel and Qatar don't have diplomatic relations, are the Israeli carriers trying extra hard to avoid the airspace? But wouldn't flights going to or from Israel be impacted on all competitors?
#26
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However, I'm pretty sure that in the initial flight paths from the one-off flights back in September/October, some of the Israeli planes did in fact fly over the Gulf on their approach into the UAE. Maybe this is to avoid reprisals following the Iranian nuke guy's demise.
#27
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I've never seen this before on Flightradar. I'm not sure if it's just because I haven't paid attention, or if it's a change in policy. A Lufthansa flight on its way to the Maldives, overflying what appears to be Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, UAE, and Oman. As far as I can remember, airlines have generally flown south of Israel on similar routings. Is this something new, or have I just been sleeping in class?
#28
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I've never seen this before on Flightradar. I'm not sure if it's just because I haven't paid attention, or if it's a change in policy. A Lufthansa flight on its way to the Maldives, overflying what appears to be Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, UAE, and Oman. As far as I can remember, airlines have generally flown south of Israel on similar routings. Is this something new, or have I just been sleeping in class?
Just checked flight trackers, and the same flight took the same routing on other days in November.
#30
Join Date: Dec 2008
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This flight route has been enabled during last October, which is when Israel and Jordan signed a new agreement allowing flight to overfly both countries on their way east. For now, this flight route is only enabled during nighttime, which may explain why some airlines are still flying over Sinai.
See (Hebrew): https://www.themarker.com/news/aviat...mium-1.9219400 and https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/ar...856190,00.html
See (Hebrew): https://www.themarker.com/news/aviat...mium-1.9219400 and https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/ar...856190,00.html