Consolidated "Michelin Restaurants" thread
#1381
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 85
Went to 2* Bon Bon outside Brussels last week, guest chef was Ana Ros who is in charge of Hisa Franko in Slovenia and has hit the Worlds 50 best and won best female chef a couple of years back. I'm always a bit suspicious about these one offs as it is an unfamiliar kitchen and brigade and presumably a load of stuff needs to be shipped in. Tasting menu (no choice on the night) was a combination of her dishes and Hardiquest's (chef at Bon Bon):
Smoked eel, sweet sour cherry shisho condiment, puffed rice
Mackerel with Kriek Cantillon
Apricot, fermented cottage cheese, lily flowers
Tete de veau en tortue
Tripe cooked in wild game jus, fermented cheese, wild mushrooms, nettles
Haddock and lobster, ginger mousseline
Bear, trout, honey, berries
Peach, sweetwoodruff milk, local saffron
Smoked white chocolate, red beet tartar, puffed rice
This was, until the end, a solid 1.5 to 2 star meal for me. Wine pairing was serviceable but didn't make any of us go "ooh what on earth is that" at any point. The tripe dish was by far the best tripe dish I've ever had, cut through with cheese it was delicious and was the dish of the night and I don't even really like tripe. The mackerel, cottage cheese and tete de veau were up there as well. Unfortunately it all fell apart at the end when they ran out of smoked white chocolate and served us a beetroot salad as our final dessert, which at that stage with no sweetness was a disaster. I wondered about this, surely it would have been better not to serve it as at all and either replace (maybe they couldn't because they didn't have anything else or because they were already cleaning down the kitchen) or make some other concession. We also missed out on mignardise which other tables were served and then had an extra dinner added to the bill which had to be sorted out.
It was a shame because it was good until then and the menu as a whole was well balanced and fun to eat...but ending like that really made the €400 bill stick in the throat. Noone there seemed to particularly care that we'd had a substandard experience relative to the other diners and I guess that's what really did the damage. A shame and more grist to the mill for my suspicions regarding these one off guest chef affairs.
Smoked eel, sweet sour cherry shisho condiment, puffed rice
Mackerel with Kriek Cantillon
Apricot, fermented cottage cheese, lily flowers
Tete de veau en tortue
Tripe cooked in wild game jus, fermented cheese, wild mushrooms, nettles
Haddock and lobster, ginger mousseline
Bear, trout, honey, berries
Peach, sweetwoodruff milk, local saffron
Smoked white chocolate, red beet tartar, puffed rice
This was, until the end, a solid 1.5 to 2 star meal for me. Wine pairing was serviceable but didn't make any of us go "ooh what on earth is that" at any point. The tripe dish was by far the best tripe dish I've ever had, cut through with cheese it was delicious and was the dish of the night and I don't even really like tripe. The mackerel, cottage cheese and tete de veau were up there as well. Unfortunately it all fell apart at the end when they ran out of smoked white chocolate and served us a beetroot salad as our final dessert, which at that stage with no sweetness was a disaster. I wondered about this, surely it would have been better not to serve it as at all and either replace (maybe they couldn't because they didn't have anything else or because they were already cleaning down the kitchen) or make some other concession. We also missed out on mignardise which other tables were served and then had an extra dinner added to the bill which had to be sorted out.
It was a shame because it was good until then and the menu as a whole was well balanced and fun to eat...but ending like that really made the €400 bill stick in the throat. Noone there seemed to particularly care that we'd had a substandard experience relative to the other diners and I guess that's what really did the damage. A shame and more grist to the mill for my suspicions regarding these one off guest chef affairs.
#1382
Visiting Japan in late May 2019.
I'll be spending a few days in Tokyo at the end but I have total freedom for the rest of the trip.
Was thinking of maybe heading up to Sapporo to see if I can catch the last of the blossom and maybe south to Osaka, Himeji, Hiroshima.
During my only other trip to Japan a few years ago I ate in M* most nights in Tokyo and Kyoto, so I'm interested to explore a few options outside.
I can make a special trip if necessary
There are a few options discussed above, but I thought a focused question might gather a more coherent set of recommendations from you knowledgeable crew.
I'll be spending a few days in Tokyo at the end but I have total freedom for the rest of the trip.
Was thinking of maybe heading up to Sapporo to see if I can catch the last of the blossom and maybe south to Osaka, Himeji, Hiroshima.
During my only other trip to Japan a few years ago I ate in M* most nights in Tokyo and Kyoto, so I'm interested to explore a few options outside.
I can make a special trip if necessary
There are a few options discussed above, but I thought a focused question might gather a more coherent set of recommendations from you knowledgeable crew.
#1383
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
Programs: UA 1K / *G, Marriott Bonvoy Gold; Avis PC
Posts: 9,005
Anyone have thoughts on Switzerland-based Michelin starred restaurants that are near Geneva, Montreux, Zermatt, or Lugano? Spending 2 weeks there next month and need to get my reservations lined up! The only one I have booked so far is Le Chat Botte (1 star) in Geneva.
#1384
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: here and there
Programs: some
Posts: 3,381
Ishikawa in Tokyo (3*) a couple of weeks ago. Very good, bordering on excellent.
Kikunoi honten (3*) in Kyoto - at 10K yen for lunch and 8 courses, this was incredible value. 3 out of 8 dishes were amazing, truly great, 3 were very good and 2 were so-so. The private room and service were excellent.
Kikunoi honten (3*) in Kyoto - at 10K yen for lunch and 8 courses, this was incredible value. 3 out of 8 dishes were amazing, truly great, 3 were very good and 2 were so-so. The private room and service were excellent.
#1386
#1387
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 305
Ishikawa in Tokyo (3*) a couple of weeks ago. Very good, bordering on excellent.
Kikunoi honten (3*) in Kyoto - at 10K yen for lunch and 8 courses, this was incredible value. 3 out of 8 dishes were amazing, truly great, 3 were very good and 2 were so-so. The private room and service were excellent.
Kikunoi honten (3*) in Kyoto - at 10K yen for lunch and 8 courses, this was incredible value. 3 out of 8 dishes were amazing, truly great, 3 were very good and 2 were so-so. The private room and service were excellent.
#1388
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: here and there
Programs: some
Posts: 3,381
I second Kikunoi Honten - amazing meal and ambience...and a resident raccoon made an appearance (came out of bamboos to the window of our private dining room)...we will be in Kyoto in a year (maybe when PH opens there - I hear it'll be better than FS or RC) and definitely planning to revisit
#1389
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: here and there
Programs: some
Posts: 3,381
Tokyo last week:
Eneko by 3* chef from Basque country Atxa Eneko (https://eneko.tokyo/en/?bcd=)
Great concept, great service (lots of Spaniards!), good food but not particularly memorable. I'd say very good but no more. Still would recommend as prices are very reasonable (including the excellent wine pairing).
Inua: just opened, Thomas Frebel (ex Noma) his new place was FANTASTIC. This deserves 3 stars. The closest comparison would be Blumenthal's original restaurant (never been to Noma!). Great service, great wine pairing, great, memorable food. Really a wonderful experience. Get in while you still can. https://eneko.tokyo/en/?bcd=
Butagumi tonkatsu: the orignal branch. Not a huge fan of tonkatsu but this was easily the best I've ever had (I chose the 4800 yen premium cut from Gifu). Really enjoyed it.
Eneko by 3* chef from Basque country Atxa Eneko (https://eneko.tokyo/en/?bcd=)
Great concept, great service (lots of Spaniards!), good food but not particularly memorable. I'd say very good but no more. Still would recommend as prices are very reasonable (including the excellent wine pairing).
Inua: just opened, Thomas Frebel (ex Noma) his new place was FANTASTIC. This deserves 3 stars. The closest comparison would be Blumenthal's original restaurant (never been to Noma!). Great service, great wine pairing, great, memorable food. Really a wonderful experience. Get in while you still can. https://eneko.tokyo/en/?bcd=
Butagumi tonkatsu: the orignal branch. Not a huge fan of tonkatsu but this was easily the best I've ever had (I chose the 4800 yen premium cut from Gifu). Really enjoyed it.
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#1390
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: NY Metro Area
Programs: AA 2MM Yay!, UA MM, Costco General Member
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Around 1990, Patricia Wells, who was the restaurant critic for the Herald Tribune. She went in Robuchon's restaurant in Paris, which she said she thought was the best in the world, and with his help wrote a cookbook of some of his recipes. We attended a book signing she was carrying out in DC and bought an autographed copy of the book. One of the recipes in it was those mashed potatoes. I still remember making them. They have a huge amount of butter in them. But what I really remember was to make them smooth, pushing them through a fine sieve, think window screen, multiple times. With a wooded mallet. I thought my arms were going to fall off. Rest in peace and fair sailing to Joel Robuchon.
#1391
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: YVR - MILLS Waypoint (It's the third house on the left)
Programs: AC*SE100K, wood level status in various other programs
Posts: 6,232
Inua: just opened, Thomas Frebel (ex Noma) his new place was FANTASTIC. This deserves 3 stars. The closest comparison would be Blumenthal's original restaurant (never been to Noma!). Great service, great wine pairing, great, memorable food. Really a wonderful experience. Get in while you still can. https://eneko.tokyo/en/?bcd=
Thanks for the reviews!
#1392
Went to Paris a few weeks ago for a long weekend:
-Le Meurice (**) had the 4 course lunch tasting menu. The dining room is absolutely beautiful. Felt almost like a museum because there were so many paintings. Two main courses were lobster ravioli and lamb. The ravioli was served pretty cold and the lamb was just ok. I was kinda disappointed here as the pacing was SLOW. I waited nearly an hour for the lamb and also, I found it odd that I could hear the chef start yelling in the kitchen (I dont speak French, but by the tone of voice, he wasnt happy). Service otherwise was good.
-Le Pre Catelan (***) had a la carte dinner here. Restaurant is pretty far out of the way, but in a nice park setting. The main course of sweetbreads were fantastic, some of the best Ive had. Their dessert cart was also really good! This was the least memorable of the meals, which by no means is a bad thing. But Id say a pretty standard experience.
-Le Cinq (***) had the four course lunch. Simply amazing lunch here, the tomato tartare, seafood pasta, and pork belly were all nicely prepared and presented. Cheese and port carts were also standouts (I had cheese cart at each place, this was the best). My table captain was also less rigid than the others, which I really liked.
-Pavillon Ledoyen (***) had a la carte dinner of almond starter and pigeon main. Both dishes were again nicely done. Pacing was again an issue here. Also got a complimentary avocado dish that I thought fell flat, very one dimensional dish that was basically just some slices of avocado. Service seemed odd here, I dont know if it was language issues or what, but I was definitely not given the best service here. Beautiful dining room again, set in a building that originally opened in 1792.
If I had to rank them, this is how I would (favorite to least):
-Le Cinq
-Pre Catelan
-Meurice
-Ledoyen
Ill try adding photos later, but Im posting from mobile right now and having some issues.
-Le Meurice (**) had the 4 course lunch tasting menu. The dining room is absolutely beautiful. Felt almost like a museum because there were so many paintings. Two main courses were lobster ravioli and lamb. The ravioli was served pretty cold and the lamb was just ok. I was kinda disappointed here as the pacing was SLOW. I waited nearly an hour for the lamb and also, I found it odd that I could hear the chef start yelling in the kitchen (I dont speak French, but by the tone of voice, he wasnt happy). Service otherwise was good.
-Le Pre Catelan (***) had a la carte dinner here. Restaurant is pretty far out of the way, but in a nice park setting. The main course of sweetbreads were fantastic, some of the best Ive had. Their dessert cart was also really good! This was the least memorable of the meals, which by no means is a bad thing. But Id say a pretty standard experience.
-Le Cinq (***) had the four course lunch. Simply amazing lunch here, the tomato tartare, seafood pasta, and pork belly were all nicely prepared and presented. Cheese and port carts were also standouts (I had cheese cart at each place, this was the best). My table captain was also less rigid than the others, which I really liked.
-Pavillon Ledoyen (***) had a la carte dinner of almond starter and pigeon main. Both dishes were again nicely done. Pacing was again an issue here. Also got a complimentary avocado dish that I thought fell flat, very one dimensional dish that was basically just some slices of avocado. Service seemed odd here, I dont know if it was language issues or what, but I was definitely not given the best service here. Beautiful dining room again, set in a building that originally opened in 1792.
If I had to rank them, this is how I would (favorite to least):
-Le Cinq
-Pre Catelan
-Meurice
-Ledoyen
Ill try adding photos later, but Im posting from mobile right now and having some issues.
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#1393
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
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Posts: 4,833
Had 2 return visits to Le Sputnik - Tokyo. Still totally amazing, but the new servers (2 men) were not quite as good as the old ones (2 women), apparently the women have moved on ;( What I really appreciate (and can't understand) is their NOT repeating any of the dishes I had 5 days ago (or last year) - with the exception of 2 repeats I requested.
Osaka - ajikitcho bunbuan 1* - had the lowest price dinner (80k). Have to say my least favorite choice. It was good and presentation nice, but really didn't feel that either the quality of sashimi or other dishes was significantly special, and the sashimi I bought to go (cheaply) at Tsukiji when I was in Tokyo was better. Of course the service and atmosphere was far superior at the restaurant, but still not a choice I'd make again.
La Cime - 2* AMAZING - lunch is a wonderful deal and food and presentation are fantastic. This, too, is a place where if I returned they said the menu would not repeat. Sadly, even tho I wanted to return there were no reservations available during my stay. It is also a Japanese/french style (and was recommended by the chef at Le Sputnik when I asked for Osaka recs)
Fujiya 1935 (now 2* was 3*) Wonderful - lunch also amazing and I didn't realize how lucky I was to get a reservation when I saw how small the restaurant is. Even with the small number of tables available they allowed reservation for 1 (both myself an another table) which many restaurants will not! In addition they were very respectful of my stated foods I don't eat and even substituted at the last minute - I don't particularly like cheese (sad I know) and there was a cheese and fruit course so I asked if they could do something else. They were very gracious and came up with something pretty amazing (an additional) dessert at the last minute. When I saw the cheese course, however, I was a little sad b/c it wasn't "cheese" it was a beautiful cheese "cake" - an elaborate preparation that far exceeded what I thought would be a slice of really good cheese - serves me right!
My neighbor asked about how often they change the menu and this restaurant changes every few months - so he was told if he came back in a week or so it would be the same menu. BTW they are famous for their corn "bubble" bread - which is truly amazing and I've searched trying to find a recipe or clue about how they produce this but I can't find anything - if anyone has a clue how to make it please let me know (DM would be good )
Some general comments - when something is in season (a type of fish or eel or.....) it tends to be featured at many restaurants at this level - but the preparations are different and it is usually only one or two course out of 9 or more. If you'd like to eat at great places but are watching your budget lunch is often a little more than half the price of dinner (tasting menu) but only has 3 or 4 fewer courses (and you'll be stuffed and maybe grateful that there aren't more courses - YMMV) and they are the same items you'd get at dinner, just fewer.
I guess it's a good thing I don't live in Japan b/c I'm afraid I'd weigh a ton with all the excellent restaurants (and not only at the Michelin level) VBG
Osaka - ajikitcho bunbuan 1* - had the lowest price dinner (80k). Have to say my least favorite choice. It was good and presentation nice, but really didn't feel that either the quality of sashimi or other dishes was significantly special, and the sashimi I bought to go (cheaply) at Tsukiji when I was in Tokyo was better. Of course the service and atmosphere was far superior at the restaurant, but still not a choice I'd make again.
La Cime - 2* AMAZING - lunch is a wonderful deal and food and presentation are fantastic. This, too, is a place where if I returned they said the menu would not repeat. Sadly, even tho I wanted to return there were no reservations available during my stay. It is also a Japanese/french style (and was recommended by the chef at Le Sputnik when I asked for Osaka recs)
Fujiya 1935 (now 2* was 3*) Wonderful - lunch also amazing and I didn't realize how lucky I was to get a reservation when I saw how small the restaurant is. Even with the small number of tables available they allowed reservation for 1 (both myself an another table) which many restaurants will not! In addition they were very respectful of my stated foods I don't eat and even substituted at the last minute - I don't particularly like cheese (sad I know) and there was a cheese and fruit course so I asked if they could do something else. They were very gracious and came up with something pretty amazing (an additional) dessert at the last minute. When I saw the cheese course, however, I was a little sad b/c it wasn't "cheese" it was a beautiful cheese "cake" - an elaborate preparation that far exceeded what I thought would be a slice of really good cheese - serves me right!
My neighbor asked about how often they change the menu and this restaurant changes every few months - so he was told if he came back in a week or so it would be the same menu. BTW they are famous for their corn "bubble" bread - which is truly amazing and I've searched trying to find a recipe or clue about how they produce this but I can't find anything - if anyone has a clue how to make it please let me know (DM would be good )
Some general comments - when something is in season (a type of fish or eel or.....) it tends to be featured at many restaurants at this level - but the preparations are different and it is usually only one or two course out of 9 or more. If you'd like to eat at great places but are watching your budget lunch is often a little more than half the price of dinner (tasting menu) but only has 3 or 4 fewer courses (and you'll be stuffed and maybe grateful that there aren't more courses - YMMV) and they are the same items you'd get at dinner, just fewer.
I guess it's a good thing I don't live in Japan b/c I'm afraid I'd weigh a ton with all the excellent restaurants (and not only at the Michelin level) VBG
#1395