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I personally disagree with this based on my own experience. I know a lot of people don't like Bo Innovation by my one lunch meal there was amazing and I'd probably put it in my top 7 meals ever (I'd put it over EMP, actually). Amber was fantastic as well and while it's hard to rate dim sum, I will say Tin Lung Heen and Sun Tung Lok are very good. The one truly disappointing Michelin (3 stars, nonetheless) meal I had in HK was T'ang Court. Overall, I find the quality to be fairly consistent across the board but price wise I do find Michelin star restaurants to be quite a bit pricier.
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Planning to go to NYC in July for wedding anniversary. Will be there for 4 nights and tentatively thinking Marea, Peter Luger, and one of Chef's Table at Brooklyn Fare or Momofuku Ko (for the night of our anni) for my dinners. I'm struggling a bit with the price of CT BF given the poor CAD:USD exchange rate, but a lot of people on forums say it's the "best" restaurant in NY currently. Ko is a lot cheaper and been on my list to go for a while now. A third choice might be Per Se, which is essentially just as expensive as CT BF but I've heard they declined in recent years. Considering it because the wife is a big fan of classic French.
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Originally Posted by kiokujai
(Post 30775003)
Planning to go to NYC in July for wedding anniversary. Will be there for 4 nights and tentatively thinking Marea, Peter Luger, and one of Chef's Table at Brooklyn Fare or Momofuku Ko (for the night of our anni) for my dinners. I'm struggling a bit with the price of CT BF given the poor CAD:USD exchange rate, but a lot of people on forums say it's the "best" restaurant in NY currently. Ko is a lot cheaper and been on my list to go for a while now. A third choice might be Per Se, which is essentially just as expensive as CT BF but I've heard they declined in recent years. Considering it because the wife is a big fan of classic French.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance! You're not missing out on much if you skip Per Se. If you enjoy classic French, I'd also recommend Le Coucou, Le Bernadin, and even Daniel I think is better than Per Se. |
Originally Posted by jbeans
(Post 30775297)
CTBF is by far my favorite in the city. Ko is good, but I personally think the ingredients used at CTBF are more special, combined with a higher level of cooking technique. Keep in mind the price at CTBF includes service, so the difference is maybe not as big. Personally Ko was a go once and glad I tried type of place, whereas CTBF I've continuously gone back.
You're not missing out on much if you skip Per Se. If you enjoy classic French, I'd also recommend Le Coucou, Le Bernadin, and even Daniel I think is better than Per Se. I have not been to the new Joel Robuchon but really was impressed for our one visit to the old one. The new location has two stars. The old one was really kind of unique in combining fantastic food in a somewhat more casual setting. If you aren’t tied to French you might try Tori Shin. It is a one star Japanese yakatori restaurant. Great little skewers of various chicken parts and some other things cooked over an open fire or hot stones. Chicken artery on a skewer anyone? But seriously it is great if you like non sushi Japanese. There are some Michelin starred sushi places as well. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 30775628)
I have not been to the new Joel Robuchon but really was impressed for our one visit to the old one. The new location has two stars. The old one was really kind of unique in combining fantastic food in a somewhat more casual setting.
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Originally Posted by kiokujai
(Post 30775003)
Planning to go to NYC in July for wedding anniversary. Will be there for 4 nights and tentatively thinking Marea, Peter Luger, and one of Chef's Table at Brooklyn Fare or Momofuku Ko (for the night of our anni) for my dinners. I'm struggling a bit with the price of CT BF given the poor CAD:USD exchange rate, but a lot of people on forums say it's the "best" restaurant in NY currently. Ko is a lot cheaper and been on my list to go for a while now. A third choice might be Per Se, which is essentially just as expensive as CT BF but I've heard they declined in recent years. Considering it because the wife is a big fan of classic French.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance! Per Se, despite some trip ups in the past years that kept me from going for awhile, is now in a very good place in my opinion. Had my birthday dinner there a month back and it was wonderful, but not at the level of wow! as CTBF. If the wife likes classic french though, I can't think of a better place. Probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite 3 star in the city (tied with Le Bernardin in my mind but I haven't been there in over a year so I'd have to see what it's like nowadays). Ko is interesting, a whole different beast than the other restaurants in the category. I really liked the most of it, but failed to love any dish. Love the quirky ambiance and the experimentation though. I wouldn't consider it a special occasion dinner venue though, despite the high price and 2*. Would skip Marea honestly unless you really need pasta and need to be in the midtown area. Two expensive dinners and left with nothing but disappointment and regret both times. Not apples-to-apples in terms of cuisine, but I would suggest places like the Bar Room at the Modern for a similar (or less) price tag and much MUCH better service/ambiance in the same area as Marea. Have a wonderful time! |
How far out do you all recommend making reservations, specifically at places in Japan? We'd have to book through hotel concierge, but not wholly familiar with Japan. (specifically at some small-table Sushi restaurants I can imagine as early as possible? So many choices though...)
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
(Post 30786659)
How far out do you all recommend making reservations, specifically at places in Japan? We'd have to book through hotel concierge, but not wholly familiar with Japan. (specifically at some small-table Sushi restaurants I can imagine as early as possible? So many choices though...)
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@Smiley90 Please report back on your experience!
I'm going again in May, so if I wanted anywhere special I guess I should be thinking about it now. Last visit I was M* every night this time I might just go for okonomiyaki :) |
Originally Posted by DeathSlam
(Post 30788007)
@Smiley90 Please report back on your experience!
I'm going again in May, so if I wanted anywhere special I guess I should be thinking about it now. Last visit I was M* every night this time I might just go for okonomiyaki :) |
The only 3* I have been to in Japan are Sushi Saito and Sushi Yoshitake (both excellent).
You have cost me $$ as I'm now going to try for Kagurazaka Ishikawa |
Two friends and I have reservations for 4 at Noma for March 21, 2019. We are looking for someone to sit with us and take the 4th spot. Let me know if you are interested. Thank you, Tina (ex-consultant)
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Have booked Alinea (3 star) and Oriole (2 star) during our stay in Chicago. Very excited!
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Originally Posted by zip10001
(Post 30690623)
Going to Paris next month and made reservation at "LA DAME DE PIC" (1 Michelin star by star chef Anne-Sophie PIC) and "ACCENTS TABLES BOURSE" (newly-rewarded with 1 Michelin star in January 2019).
Our group of 4 had an amazing dinner at "Accents Tables Bourse". The chef is French, while the pastry chef is from Japan. We had the 6-course menu for 68 euros, which is a steal and a lot of food. No menu. On top of my head: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...91a54cf612.jpg appetizer 1: beet-infused egg, kale https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0c93aa01a2.jpg appetitzer 2: scallop with radish https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c443daa8ed.jpg main course 1: monkfish, fat from ham, wine leaf https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bb199d0cea.jpg Main course 2: rack of lamb, jerusalem artichoke, pleurottes mushrooms https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e60530c465.jpg Dessert 1: meringue with yuzu drop, grapefruit https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0bcbc17df1.jpg Dessert 2: "Mont-Blanc" with chesnut mousse ('creme de marrons') https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d98d27caf9.jpg Chiffon cake with pear ice-cream A great experience, at a reasonable price. |
La Dame de Pic (1-Michelin start in Paris)
Originally Posted by zip10001
(Post 30690623)
Going to Paris next month and made reservation at "LA DAME DE PIC" (1 Michelin star by star chef Anne-Sophie PIC) and "ACCENTS TABLES BOURSE" (newly-rewarded with 1 Michelin star in January 2019).
Menu "Plaisir" at LA DAME DE PIC in Paris (105 euros for 1 amuse-bouche, 2 appetizer, 1 main, 1 pre-dessert, 1 dessert,): I feel like the chef tries too "hard", or perhaps I should have ordered different courses. However the GF enjoyed her meal. Her main course "Monkfish, iodized potatoes with crispy 'rouille', safran & Combawa emulsion" was really good, and something I would try to recreate. ******* https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7a9c9519cb.jpg amuse bouche: curry marshmallow, mushroom tart --- https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...45eb4a6487.jpg Appetizer 1: foie gras de canard (poireaux et champignons fumés, cédrat confit) *really good* --- ---- https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f8a703d048.jpg appetizer 2: poached quail eggs (cromesquis de pied de cochon au miel, mousseline de pomme de terre, cresson, gingembre, matcha et vinaigre de Xérès) *the broth tasted weird at first sip* ---- https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c8addc3f4a.jpg Main: Deer (mariné au poivre Wayanad, pressé de choux et de coings, jus de chevreuil iodé et clémentine Corse) * the venison was amazing but I barely ate the cabbage side. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3ea34c3cc3.jpg Pre-dessert / palate cleanser: some sort of citrus ice-cream ---- https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ac300f0d0e.jpg Girlfriend had the "white mille-feuille" for dessert (crème légère à la rose de Damas, confit au pamplemousse) ----- https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...de8a138d7e.jpg My dessert: LE CHOCOLAT PIC (crème onctueuse et biscuit chocolat, confit au limequat du Mas Bachès, glace infusée au sobacha) * one of the best chocolate desserts I have ever had |
For counter style dining in NYC, have been to Atera, Ko, CTBF, Blanca and most of them more than once. My fav remains Blanca for the best food. I find it more innovative and enjoyable than the others |
I have my reservation at Alinea's Salon. Tried getting the Gallery but it was sold out in literally 1 second.
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Riff in Valencia has closed after a diner died, members of her family fell gravely ill and other customers also needed hospital treatment.
https://elpais.com/ccaa/2019/02/19/v...92_651685.html A kind of morell called colmenillas (little honeycombs) has been blamed https://elcomidista.elpais.com/elcom...93_417034.html In English: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47318923 |
Originally Posted by LapLap
(Post 30808746)
Riff in Valencia has closed after a diner died, members of her family fell gravely ill and other customers also needed hospital treatment.
https://elpais.com/ccaa/2019/02/19/v...92_651685.html A kind of morell called colmenillas (little honeycombs) has been blamed https://elcomidista.elpais.com/elcom...93_417034.html In English: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47318923 What a tragic situation. |
Originally Posted by Bohemian1
(Post 30810294)
Yikes!
What a tragic situation. |
Just had yet another superb lunch at The Waterside Inn at Bray - it really can't be faulted in any way and, on a sunny day, it must have just about the nicest dining room of any restaurant. Whilst the food is, of course, horrendously expensive, the wine list is more reasonably priced than any I came across in a week of mediocre dining (and even more mediocre drinking) in SF!
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Originally Posted by offerendum
(Post 30818667)
Normally this restaurant is dead. If it was their fault or not. Very tragic.
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Originally Posted by TWA884
(Post 30851852)
I'm also dying to see what they do with Vespertine (at least 2* IMO) and the more casual atmosphere for even the best in SoCal. I imagine there will be many more 1* because of the LA expectation to be more dressed down than fine for dining! |
Great to hear that Michelin is coming back to LA - long overdue. I wonder how Melisse (my favorite restaurant in these parts) stacks up; I believe it had 2 stars before they decided to stop coverage of the region.
On a separate note, back from my trip to Basque country! Brief thoughts below: -Arzak (3 stars, San Sebastian): very innovative cuisine, particularly on the texture side, but this was definitely the restaurant, relative to my expectations, that fell short. A very enjoyable meal but perhaps lacking a bit in pizzazz. Wintertime perhaps doesn't make for having the best cuisine available. -eMe Be Garrote (1 star, San Sebastian): loved the ambiance here (set in what looks like a redone barn, outfitted with rustic wooden finishes and lots of retro bikes hanging from the walls), and the food was fabulous as well. I somehow lucked into turning a glass of red into a little more than half a bottle for 16 euros - no complaints from me! English-speaking staff is definitely on the lighter side relative to other spots we went to - may have something to do with the restaurant being ~20 minutes outside of downtown San Sebastian. -Azurmendi (3 stars, Bilbao): now that Hertog Jan closed in Bruges, this is now my new favorite restaurant in the world. Absolutely an incredibly immersive dining experience. Every single course was amazing. The walkthrough from the lush entrance, to the kitchen, then to a beautifully-appointed side room, is a great way of introducing the amuse-bouche courses. The wine pairing at 125 euros is a steal; you get treated to interesting wines all over the world, as well as some really old ones...I enjoyed a glass of 1975 vintage Rioja with one course, followed by a sherry wine that was laid down for aging in the 1950s(!). I usually am not a big fan of wine pairings, but wow...this one blew me away. By far, I felt that Azurmendi was the can't-miss restaurant of the above ones I visited. I hope to make it back in the future (not sure how to swing it with a baby in tow...) for all the restaurants that were closed at this time of year. |
Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
(Post 30852724)
Great to hear that Michelin is coming back to LA - long overdue. I wonder how Melisse (my favorite restaurant in these parts) stacks up; I believe it had 2 stars before they decided to stop coverage of the region.
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Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30852748)
Melisse closed March 2...and is supposed to reopen later in 2019 with a new, less formal concept. I imagine Michelin's return will adjust things for them perhaps a bit.
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
(Post 30852724)
Great to hear that Michelin is coming back to LA - long overdue. I wonder how Melisse (my favorite restaurant in these parts) stacks up; I believe it had 2 stars before they decided to stop coverage of the region.
Here is my Facebook post about its closing: Last night I received an email from Melisse that they will be closing on March 3 and will be reopening in the summer with a new concept. A few months ago, I read rumors that the restaurant's lease was up this coming January and there was speculation that it will close. [My wife] and I have been there before to celebrate her birthday, but [our daughter] has never eaten there and it was on her bucket list. I made a reservation for when she was going to be home when she was on a week's break from her residency at [a children's hospital]. Most of the food was well prepared, but the service was not up to par for a restaurant of that caliber and price range; it did not measure up to what I remembered from our prior visit. The captain who took our order was very conscientious of dietary restrictions and accommodated every one in our party; however, after that things went south. It was hard to get a waiter's attention when we needed something; at comparable restaurants, they seem to be able to read my mind and come to our table when I want to ask for something. At least half an hour passed between our finishing one course and clearing the table and the serving of the next course. Mid way through the seven course set menu, I asked them to speed things up; that was to no avail. After the second dessert, more than three hours after we sat down, I explained that my daughter was tired and had an early flight the next morning, and I asked for the check. It was brought promptly, but they never offered or brought the after dinner chocolates and petit fours that they normally serve at the end of the meal. I was going to ask to have those packed to go on our way out, but neither the hostess nor the maitre d were anywhere to be found. Sad end to what used to be one of the best restaurants in the Los Angeles area. |
Originally Posted by jbeans
(Post 30775297)
CTBF is by far my favorite in the city. Ko is good, but I personally think the ingredients used at CTBF are more special, combined with a higher level of cooking technique. Keep in mind the price at CTBF includes service, so the difference is maybe not as big. Personally Ko was a go once and glad I tried type of place, whereas CTBF I've continuously gone back.
You're not missing out on much if you skip Per Se. If you enjoy classic French, I'd also recommend Le Coucou, Le Bernadin, and even Daniel I think is better than Per Se. I just reached out to StR's concierge team and they heard that Chef Ramirez might be away first 2 weeks of July which is when I plan to go. If that's the case, that makes my decision easier as I would only want to go if Chef was there (plus I hear that when he's away they're actually closed). I'm actually thinking of doing Le Coucou for lunch that same day to get the wife her French fix. We did Le Bernardin last time and absolutely loved it! Met Chef Eric Ripert as well which is a bonus. Thanks for your feedback! |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 30775628)
LeBernardin is just a wonderful experience and has been for decades. I am also a big fan of Jean-Georges as well, which had 3 stars for a number of years but has dropped to 2 stars. When in think of high end French food in NYC I think of LeBernardin. Been there a number of times over the years, although not recently, and was always just blown away by how good the food, service and ambience was. I would place Jean-George’s in close to that category. I have not been to the new Joel Robuchon but really was impressed for our one visit to the old one. The new location has two stars. The old one was really kind of unique in combining fantastic food in a somewhat more casual setting. If you aren’t tied to French you might try Tori Shin. It is a one star Japanese yakatori restaurant. Great little skewers of various chicken parts and some other things cooked over an open fire or hot stones. Chicken artery on a skewer anyone? But seriously it is great if you like non sushi Japanese. There are some Michelin starred sushi places as well. I am a huge Yakitori fan after my last Japan trip but I'm not big into arteries and innards so a full tasting may not be for me. Japanese food is my love so I'm really tempted to do Sushi Amane or Noz but I'm going to Tokyo next month and will get a good sushi fix then and I want to make the NY trip more about the wife so I'll probably skip sushi this time around (unfortunately). Thanks for your feedback! |
Originally Posted by bsb10
(Post 30776346)
I probably sound like a broken record on this thread but CT BF is the best restaurant in the city right now, period. They are at their peak and prime, having gone countless times over the past 2 years.
Per Se, despite some trip ups in the past years that kept me from going for awhile, is now in a very good place in my opinion. Had my birthday dinner there a month back and it was wonderful, but not at the level of wow! as CTBF. If the wife likes classic french though, I can't think of a better place. Probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite 3 star in the city (tied with Le Bernardin in my mind but I haven't been there in over a year so I'd have to see what it's like nowadays). Ko is interesting, a whole different beast than the other restaurants in the category. I really liked the most of it, but failed to love any dish. Love the quirky ambiance and the experimentation though. I wouldn't consider it a special occasion dinner venue though, despite the high price and 2*. Would skip Marea honestly unless you really need pasta and need to be in the midtown area. Two expensive dinners and left with nothing but disappointment and regret both times. Not apples-to-apples in terms of cuisine, but I would suggest places like the Bar Room at the Modern for a similar (or less) price tag and much MUCH better service/ambiance in the same area as Marea. Have a wonderful time! I am thinking of doing lunch at Le Coucou the same day so that the wife can get her French fix. I hear great things. Marea would be the one I am most likely to cut out of the meals I am planning - really I am only interested in their signature octopus and bone marrow pasta haha. |
Originally Posted by kiokujai
(Post 30877560)
Sorry! Somehow I totally missed your response.
I just reached out to StR's concierge team and they heard that Chef Ramirez might be away first 2 weeks of July which is when I plan to go. If that's the case, that makes my decision easier as I would only want to go if Chef was there (plus I hear that when he's away they're actually closed). I'm actually thinking of doing Le Coucou for lunch that same day to get the wife her French fix. We did Le Bernardin last time and absolutely loved it! Met Chef Eric Ripert as well which is a bonus. Thanks for your feedback! |
Originally Posted by kiokujai
(Post 30877605)
You're really swaying me towards CT BF! That said StR concierge heard that Chef Ramirez might be away when I plan to visit which would make me go to Ko by default. If that's not the case, I would say I'm in favour of CT BF 60/40 at this point.
I am thinking of doing lunch at Le Coucou the same day so that the wife can get her French fix. I hear great things. Marea would be the one I am most likely to cut out of the meals I am planning - really I am only interested in their signature octopus and bone marrow pasta haha. Table 55 isn’t cheap at a table minimum of $2500, but it was truly sublime and exceptional and so much fun in EVERY way. We had 3 of us to enjoy the experience, so it wasn’t that much more expensive than one of these crazy tasting menus and wine pairings, either. My review in case you’re interested: https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...ular-stay-2408 |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30878428)
I know it isn’t rated by Michelin, but I can tell you that our Table 55 experience at the King Cole Bar ar the StR New York was perhaps the best overall dining and beverage experience we’ve ever enjoyed: anywhere. Considering we dined the next night at disappointing 3* EMP but also have dined at 21 Michelin stars in Japan, every Michelin 2-3* restaurant in SF/Napa/Sonoma, including most several times, 3* Le Calandre, 3* Enoteca Pincchioirri, and almost a third of the Pellegrino too 100 list—most in just the last year or two—I think we have some decent perspective! Table 55 isn’t cheap at a table minimum of $2500, but it was truly sublime and exceptional and so much fun in EVERY way. We had 3 of us to enjoy the experience, so it wasn’t that much more expensive than one of these crazy tasting menus and wine pairings, either. My review in case you’re interested: https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...ular-stay-2408 |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30851921)
WOW! I'm honestly surprised, though I know the absence of LA with all its hype likely has made Michelin look bad for the omission.
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Originally Posted by TWA884
(Post 30879663)
Well, it turns out that Michelin got paid to expand their presence in California.
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Originally Posted by offerendum
(Post 30879750)
Could be a good deal for both sites but I see it very sceptical. If someone pays there will be normally an expectation for a cerain minimum number of strs which is dangerous for the objectivity. But OK, it's not the first tome Michelin gets paid.
Originally Posted by EATER LA
... it’s long been understood that the only way the tire company actually pays for their meals is with the help of the deep-pocketed tourism boards for the regions they cover.
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Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30878428)
I know it isn’t rated by Michelin, but I can tell you that our Table 55 experience at the King Cole Bar ar the StR New York was perhaps the best overall dining and beverage experience we’ve ever enjoyed: anywhere. Considering we dined the next night at disappointing 3* EMP but also have dined at 21 Michelin stars in Japan, every Michelin 2-3* restaurant in SF/Napa/Sonoma, including most several times, 3* Le Calandre, 3* Enoteca Pincchioirri, and almost a third of the Pellegrino too 100 list—most in just the last year or two—I think we have some decent perspective! Table 55 isn’t cheap at a table minimum of $2500, but it was truly sublime and exceptional and so much fun in EVERY way. We had 3 of us to enjoy the experience, so it wasn’t that much more expensive than one of these crazy tasting menus and wine pairings, either. My review in case you’re interested: https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...ular-stay-2408 Funny enough, I have nearly the exact sentiments you had regarding EMP - down to the specific dishes I thought were the only two memorable dishes of the night (the caviar course and the duck). While Table 55 is definitely out of my price range, I definitely plan to visit the King Cole Bar during my stay and make use of my F&B credit from the destination fee. I actually had a reservation for Le Calandre last time I was in Italy cause I really wanted to try that famous saffron risotto but logistically it didn't work out so I ended up cancelling my reservation. Hopefully one day! |
Casa Vissani
Did anyone eat at Casa Vissani? I could only do a Lunch and they write it's served at the Rock Room. Fear a little bit it's a light version. |
Originally Posted by offerendum
(Post 30888469)
Did anyone eat at Casa Vissani? I could only do a Lunch and they write it's served at the Rock Room. Fear a little bit it's a light version. There are three level offered in the restaurant which can be booked between 12:30 and 14:30 and again between 19:30 and 22:30. Four courses for 120€, six courses for 180€ and a "Complete Proposal" consisting of the entire menu, 9 courses, for 250€ per person. |
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