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jbeans Jun 21, 2019 7:11 pm

L'appart! Last time I ate there I was also with a pregnant friend, and they offered her this "non alcoholic wine"! Basically grape juice made from some fancy variety of French grapes; she said it was the best grape juice she's ever tasted and can no longer drink Welch's. There were some fish in the menu that were not pregnancy-friendly, but the chef was very accommodating with any swaps she asked for.


Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 (Post 31226929)
I know I'm from New York, so I should have an opinion - but anyone have a strong opinion on a non-sushi 1-star Michelin restaurant in NYC? We're in our last 10 weeks before we have a baby that will make it a little more challenging to get into these spots - so looking for spots to hit up before it'll become a much more special occasion than it feels like now.

(I didn't ask for any 2 or 3-star spots because we've basically been to all of them)


jbeans Jun 21, 2019 7:21 pm

I went to L'atelier last month with very low expectations, and overall I'd say they were exceeded. Food was good, as in every dish was well executed with good ingredients, but nothing was particularly exciting or memorable. Main course was choice between beef and quail, we got both and quail was the clear winner. Service was polite, but not particularly warm or personal. I think the experience was more on par with a 1-star restaurant.


Originally Posted by United747 (Post 31227076)
And I’d like to hear more consistent reports from L’atelier and Le Grill de Joel Robuchon before I go.


PsiFighter37 Jun 22, 2019 7:19 am


Originally Posted by United747 (Post 31227076)
Gramercy Tavern ��

I’ve heard Del Posto is great, but never been myself. And I’d like to hear more consistent reports from L’atelier and Le Grill de Joel Robuchon before I go.

We went for lunch just last weekend - agreed it is great :) I have been to Del Posto as well (it was right before the current chef took over), and it was excellent as well. We had made reservations for Joel Robuchon, but we ended up canceling at last minute and going somewhere else. I'm sure it's good, but another Michelin-starred French restaurant...there are more than enough of those already :p

We did also go to Contra last weekend for dinner, and it is still excellent as always and still a steal at $89/person for their tasting menu.

bhrubin Jun 22, 2019 10:26 am

We've been to Taco Maria many times, but last night was the first since they received their Michelin star earlier this month. Still as amazing as we remember. Incredibly tasty and unusual flavors and textures with surprisingly wonderful wine pairings yet again. Highly recommended. Only $79 for the four course tasting menu, and just $39 for the wine pairings.

Fliar Jun 23, 2019 8:22 am

I just had my first 100 points dinner at Ultraviolet in Shanghai (Pierre Pairet) menu C+, which at US$850 per person was actually superb value.

Wow, this was truly amazing.

offerendum Jun 24, 2019 6:22 am


Originally Posted by Fliar (Post 31231033)
which at US$850 per person was actually superb value.

Sonds indeed like a bargain!

offerendum Jun 26, 2019 11:27 am

Il Ridotto Venice 1 star
 
I tried Il Ridotto in Venice, which has reasonable prices in this overpriced town.
The restaurant is relative small (as indicates the name) and modern furnished.
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We took the nice Courses tasting menu which was a surprise and came 140,00 €.
First the Amuse Bouches
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Now the menu. The Tortellini were unfortunately filled with chicken, so not suitable for us.
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Service was friendly, but not polished. The food was solid, but not outstanding. The risotto for excample was very spicy, perhaps overspiced for my taste. Andy Haller wrote he couldn´t understand the Michelin star. Personally I´m not so sure but it wasn´t at the upper Edge of 1 star level. At lunch they offer a menu at 35 €, which is a steal in Venice.

PsiFighter37 Jun 30, 2019 7:58 pm

Ended up dining at Rustic Canyon (new 1* in the new California Michelin guide in Santa Monica) earlier last week. The food was pretty good, but TBH not quite sure why it got a star. Felt more like a Bib Gourmand spot.

bhrubin Jun 30, 2019 8:10 pm

Finally returned last night to Hanare Sushi in Orange County for the first time since it got its star. Was even better than I remember. This may be only the second time I’ve ever been in shorts at a Michelin restaurant, but the atmosphere everywhere in OC is very relaxed. (My first time was just last week at 1* Taco Maria.)

Not an inexpensive meal by any means at $210 per person omakase at the bar (the only place we’d choose to dine here), but it is cheaper at a table doing a taster menu for $95. But we continue to love being at the bar and getting acquainted with the other patrons and joking around with Chef Atsushi—despite his limited English and my complete inability to speak much Japanese. We know his wife quite well from another restaurant, and she has worked here as well for the past year.

This is the ONLY place in the USA where I have been able to get proper A5 Wagyu that actually tastes as amazing and is as melts-in-your-mouth good as in Japan. I loved it so much I asked for more; Chef gave us each a healthy extra offering for $49 more apiece, and it was worth every penny. I might have eaten all of mine and my husband’s portion, but I can’t confirm that rumor.

Highly recommended. But most wear pants. :p

bhrubin Jun 30, 2019 8:13 pm


Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 (Post 31256537)
Ended up dining at Rustic Canyon (new 1* in the new California Michelin guide in Santa Monica) earlier last week. The food was pretty good, but TBH not quite sure why it got a star. Felt more like a Bib Gourmand spot.

Thanks for that tip. I was debating between 1* Rustic Canyon, 1* Kali, and 1* Osteria Mozza for our LA weekend coming up. Thinking Osteria Mozza may be our best bet. (The previous night we will have 2* Providence.)

TWA884 Jun 30, 2019 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 31256570)

Thanks for that tip. I was debating between 1* Rustic Canyon, 1* Kali, and 1* Osteria Mozza for our LA weekend coming up. Thinking Osteria Mozza may be our best bet. (The previous night we will have 2* Providence.)

Haven't been to Kali, but I'm quite familiar with both Osteria Mozza and Rustic Canyon. They are quite different in character, but I love them both.

Nancy Silverton serves innovative Italian cuisine. Jeremy Fox is known for his creative seasonal farmer's market vegetables-centric dishes. Rustic Canyon is not a vegan or vegetarian restaurant, however, if you don't love vegetables, this is not the place for you. You may want to take a look at his cookbook before deciding on dining there.

PsiFighter37 Jul 1, 2019 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 31256652)
Haven't been to Kali, but I'm quite familiar with both Osteria Mozza and Rustic Canyon. They are quite different in character, but I love them both.

Nancy Silverton serves innovative Italian cuisine. Jeremy Fox is known for his creative seasonal farmer's market vegetables-centric dishes. Rustic Canyon is not a vegan or vegetarian restaurant, however, if you don't love vegetables, this is not the place for you. You may want to take a look at his cookbook On Vegetables before deciding on dining there.

To be clear, I have nothing against the food itself - on balance, I felt the meal was delicious and quite well-done. That said, it didn't strike me as having the qualities I would expect of a 1* spot. I would actually say the duck confit was probably my favorite bite of the night I was there.

Bohemian1 Jul 1, 2019 10:40 pm

On a recent rip to Lisbon, we managed to make it out to several M* restaurants all of which were withing about 150m of our apartment. Here's a very brief trip report:

Alma - We manged to get a last minute cancellation here. They have interesting menu and we opted for the degustation that was supposed to be representative of the chef's ethos. While the dishes were executed and presented well, we felt that several were poorly conceived and suffered from editing problems. This was compounded by the fact that some of the dishes were supposed to be evocative of 'traditional' Portuguese fare, but no frame of reference, like a background story from the server, was provided so we were just left scratching our heads regarding the combination of ingredients. I would rate this as a one star meal at best.

Tagide - Portuguese fine dining meets old school in this fairly formal but cozy space. We really enjoyed the menu and, while not particularly modern or product-forward, the dinner was great and the service was very crisp. Hats off to them for a very good wine list as well. One gets the sense they've been doing this for a while and have learned to embrace tradition without getting too stuck in the past. A good slice of Portuguese dining.

Belcanto - A mix of modern and traditional, this was an intriguing menu. We went for the shorter of the tasting menus which was theoretically the more experimental (read - in development) of the two. End to end everything was very well executed and the service was excellent. While the menu was tasty and interesting, we felt that the progression was bit odd, as the serving sizes kept getting larger and larger throughout the meal right up to the two final protein dishes. We left feeling very stuffed which wasn't entirely pleasant. Nonetheless a solid two star experience.

Epur - Okay, Epur has no Michelin starts yet but stay tuned. From the moment we stepped into the cool, clean but cosy space till the visit to the kitchen to meet Chef on the way out, this was a stunning experience. Very product centric, every dish was beautifully conceived, composed and executed with service to match. This was an excellent meal with no flaws of any kind and the wine program is simply outstanding. The best high end meal we had in Lisbon. This place screams two stars and that may well happen in November. Go before that happens and reservations become impossible - you will not regret it. Simply stunning.

Fliar Jul 3, 2019 1:53 pm

Raymond Blanc (2*) at le Manoir aux quat saisons in Oxfordshire. A very competent meal in gorgeous setting. Service was professional and timing was excellent, although it was quite an impersonal experience, especially dining alone.

Quality of produce was very good and dishes presented nicely. Overall I think this is deserving of its two stars but apart from some of the ingredients (Scottish scallops, Cornish lobster and French strawberries, in particular) there was nothing particularly surprising or memorable about the meal. Delicious, competent, very pleasant. 90/100 for me but at 190 euros plus 12.5% service charge this really is very expensive, despite the beautiful settings. Wine markups are insane and I simply had only one glass and then retreated to my room to drink the rest of the bottle of Krug I had brought along :-)

offerendum Jul 4, 2019 3:24 am


Originally Posted by Fliar (Post 31266428)
Raymond Blanc (2*) at le Manoir aux quat saisons in Oxfordshire. A very competent meal in gorgeous setting. Service was professional and timing was excellent, although it was quite an impersonal experience, especially dining alone.

Quality of produce was very good and dishes presented nicely. Overall I think this is deserving of its two stars but apart from some of the ingredients (Scottish scallops, Cornish lobster and French strawberries, in particular) there was nothing particularly surprising or memorable about the meal. Delicious, competent, very pleasant. 90/100 for me but at 190 euros plus 12.5% service charge this really is very expensive, despite the beautiful settings. Wine markups are insane and I simply had only one glass and then retreated to my room to drink the rest of the bottle of Krug I had brought along :-)

I thought about it for my upcomming trip but found the whole hotel generously priced. 190 GBP (so it´s 210 Euro) is much more than you pay in most compareable restaurants in the UK.

Yahillwe Jul 4, 2019 5:52 am

When I was in Los Gatos, we just dropped in at Manresa, tried every which way to call using all kinds of means, to no avail -then the bakery told us we could just go in and eat at the bar- we did that, then they found us a table. Am so glad they did, they even made some special dishes out of their evening menu. Highly recommend it.
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Yahillwe Jul 4, 2019 6:09 am

Managed to snag a reservations (using a chef's name) at Yamashita. We will have a private visit of his farm then a nice dinner in the garden. Hopefully his tomatoes are still at their prime in the middle of September.


And the special veggie menu at L'Arpege.

DeathSlam Jul 4, 2019 10:41 am


Originally Posted by Fliar (Post 31266428)
Raymond Blanc (2*) at le Manoir aux quat saisons in Oxfordshire. A very competent meal in gorgeous setting. Service was professional and timing was excellent, although it was quite an impersonal experience, especially dining alone.

Went there for my birthday last year. It had been on my bucket list for some time.
Took my own wine because I had seen the wine list prices. A £50 bottle of wine plus £50 corkage was less than the £200 for an equivalent bottle from the wine list. They put it on ice while we strolled round the gardens for an hour or two.
Agree the food is lovely but not likely to be very memorable long term.

The prices of the hotel rooms are pretty steep, so I didn't stay there.

thelark Jul 8, 2019 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Yahillwe (Post 31268586)
Managed to snag a reservations (using a chef's name) at Yamashita. We will have a private visit of his farm then a nice dinner in the garden. Hopefully his tomatoes are still at their prime in the middle of September.


And the special veggie menu at L'Arpege.

When are you heading to L'Arpege? Interested to hear a recent review. We will be in town end of Sept. - have a res at AD Plaza Athénée and considering adding this to the list.

offerendum Jul 8, 2019 2:58 pm

Glam Venice 1 star
 
I had dinner at Glam, the Venetian restaurant of Enrico Bartolini. It holds one star at guide Michelin.
The restaurant is located at Palazzo Venart, a quite stylish hotel. There is a small garden.
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The interior of the restaurant is elegant and I would describe it as "modern Venetian".
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We decided to take the tasting menu with the usual adaption. I don´t remember what excactly the dishes were so I left you alone with the pictures.
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The food was good. It was good 1 star level.

Bohemian1 Jul 8, 2019 5:29 pm

Nice looking plates for sure!

Yahillwe Jul 9, 2019 10:32 am


Originally Posted by thelark (Post 31282413)
When are you heading to L'Arpege? Interested to hear a recent review. We will be in town end of Sept. - have a res at AD Plaza Athénée and considering adding this to the list.


End of July. I was not that impressed with AD.

Just had one the best meals ever, the chef and the kitchen were open. Sat on the counter and watched the cooking being done. Had super interesting wines. It was a on star, but the prices were the equivalent, if not more than a 3 star place. Around 800 pp plus wines. The food was so so good that am thinking of canceling Arpege and going there.

I promised my companion never to mention the name of the restaurant to anyone. The chef owner didn't mind. He said he has the clients that he wants.

sophialite Jul 9, 2019 10:57 am


Originally Posted by Yahillwe (Post 31285637)

Just had one the best meals ever, the chef and the kitchen were open. Sat on the counter and watched the cooking being done. Had super interesting wines. It was a on star, but the prices were the equivalent, if not more than a 3 star place. Around 800 pp plus wines. The food was so so good that am thinking of canceling Arpege and going there.

I promised my companion never to mention the name of the restaurant to anyone. The chef owner didn't mind. He said he has the clients that he wants.

Uhh... thanks :rolleyes:

Hopefully the subsequent inhaled farts were just as sumptuous.

Yahillwe Jul 9, 2019 11:19 am

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Now we are getting ready for our next meal, and no farts are not involved pre-during or post meal.

Fliar Jul 10, 2019 10:29 am

De Librije (3*) in Zwolle, Holland. During my second visit (first one was in the 90s when they only had one star) about 9 years ago I rated it highly at 94 points but not near the top. This time was different. This was a truly world-leading 3* meal and the only meals at this level I've had were Ultraviolet (my new favourite), Gagnaire (Paris), Fat Duck (10 years ago) and Arzak (15 years ago) and possibly perhaps a couple of kaiseki meals. Everything was outstanding, special, memorable, beautiful and exciting.
This is really worth a special trip.

bhrubin Jul 13, 2019 1:42 pm

Booked for 3* Geranium dinner and 1* Dragsholme Slot lunch for October while staying in DK with friends. Can’t wait. My first dinner at Geranium was in 2013...and I loved it about as much as I loved Noma—both are among my favorite meals of all time.

Ruth4325 Jul 14, 2019 12:22 am

We will shortly be eating at restaurant Schwarzwaldstube in Baiersbronn. We’ve been perusing the menus online but can’t find any information about wine pairings...whether there are choices within pairings and the additional cost of a wine pairing compared to ordering a bottle or bottles. Does anyone have experience of this restaurant? Many thanks.

arkellvspressdram Jul 14, 2019 3:22 am


Originally Posted by Ruth4325 (Post 31301266)
We will shortly be eating at restaurant Schwarzwaldstube in Baiersbronn. We’ve been perusing the menus online but can’t find any information about wine pairings...whether there are choices within pairings and the additional cost of a wine pairing compared to ordering a bottle or bottles. Does anyone have experience of this restaurant? Many thanks.

I've not been but my assumption for places as serious as they are about wine is that you should be able to call up, speak to the sommelier and get pretty much whatever arrangement you'd prefer. Looks like you're in for a treat:

https://www.andyhayler.com/restaurant/schwarzwaldstube

United747 Jul 14, 2019 7:42 pm

I just finished up a quick trip to NYC to celebrate a family member’s birthday.

Lunch at Jean-Georges was good, I still maintain that the service has gotten a lot better but food has slipped a bit. I started with the uni starter on toast with yuzu and chili. I then had the sweet and sour sweetbreads as my main and finished off with the berry dessert. My dining companion had the bacon wrapped gulf shrimp as his starter, the salmon as the main, and the chocolate dessert.

Dinner was was supposed to be at The Modern, but the Midtown blackout put an end to that... they handled it very well though, we sat in their lounge having drinks trying to figure out a backup and they got us into Gramercy Tavern with about a 20 minute wait. Dinner there was great as usual, but I did think the service was a tad more removed than usual.

offerendum Jul 15, 2019 2:08 am


Originally Posted by Ruth4325 (Post 31301266)
We will shortly be eating at restaurant Schwarzwaldstube in Baiersbronn. We’ve been perusing the menus online but can’t find any information about wine pairings...whether there are choices within pairings and the additional cost of a wine pairing compared to ordering a bottle or bottles. Does anyone have experience of this restaurant? Many thanks.

I visited recently but I don´t drink. From what 'I saw they offered parings, can´t say much about priced. I think they charged around 20,00 € per glas. I would compare at the restaurant.

Fliar Jul 15, 2019 5:02 pm

St Gerlach (near Maastricht in Holland). This gets 16 pointsi n Gualt Millau but I don't know if they have a Michelin star. If not, that's a disgrace as they *definitely* deserve one, nudging two. Gorgeous setting, superb service, wonderful local produce and excellent execution. Oh, and a lovely wine list. Highly recommended.

Auberge due Mouline Hideux in Belgium, one star. Pigeon was fabulous, 90 points easily, veal was okay but nothing special at 85, service and overall experience (not a single smiling waiter) was poor - 80 points. A total of 85 points, which is not great for a starrred restaurant. Would not recommend this place although the smallish 4* auberge is a rather pleasant place to spend the night.

bhrubin Jul 15, 2019 5:17 pm

Quick summary of our LA weekend:

Dinner at 2* Providence: very good, but a few surprising misses. Portion sizes were a bit too large. Last 2 protein courses were disappointing: a way too briney fish with no balancing acidity (except for the excellent wine pairing), and a disappointing A5 Wagyu that paired poorly with a too weak Cab Franc. Otherwise, all other courses were delicious and impressive, and every other wine pairing was spot on. With as many tables as they have, I don't see a 3rd star coming any time soon. A very good 2* experience. But I definitely still prefer 2* Somni (and 2* Vespertine).

Brunch at 1* AOC: wowzers. So yummy. A new fave for LA. The fried chicken and waffle is as amazing as I'd heard.

Dinner at 1* Osteria Mozza: excellent. Worth the price of admission. The Osteria side is far nicer (and cooler) than the Pizzeria side on which they tried to seat us, but they moved us to the Osteria since I complained about the lack of air con. The food was delicious. The burrata was sublime. The pastas were wonderful. The pork chop is among the top 3 I've ever had. Can't wait to try again.

offerendum Jul 16, 2019 2:19 am


Originally Posted by Fliar (Post 31307141)
St Gerlach (near Maastricht in Holland). This gets 16 pointsi n Gualt Millau but I don't know if they have a Michelin star. If not, that's a disgrace as they *definitely* deserve one, nudging two. Gorgeous setting, superb service, wonderful local produce and excellent execution. Oh, and a lovely wine list. Highly recommended.

It has a plate. The dining-rooms look indeed gorgeous, perhaps a little bit too much wood;)

offerendum Jul 16, 2019 12:42 pm

Da Vittorio Brusaporto 3 stars
 
We had dinner at Da Vittorio, a 3 star restaurant which is located near Bergamo. I heared many good things about it and was quite excited.
We arrived relatively late at the restaurant.
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The restaurant is furnished in white. While it isn´t modern it has style.
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The restaurant is owned ny the Cerea-family. While the brothers cook in the kitchen Rosella Cerea is responsible for the service. Without question it was the most charming and warm service we experienced in Italy.
We opted for the "Tradition menu" which was priced with 190,00 €. They asked for our preferences and even if we prefer cooked or raw fish. Here our menu:
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All dishes without excemption were great, I was really impressed. While there was no gold or other chi chi on the tables it was cooking on the highest level with top notch ingredients. I can´t praise the dinner high enough. If I consider the quality and what I got elsewere for my money I think value was very good, perhaps even a bargain. It was so much better than Osteria Francescana on every aspect..
I really consider to do a trip next year only to eat here again.

Fliar Jul 16, 2019 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by offerendum (Post 31308303)
It has a plate. The dining-rooms look indeed gorgeous, perhaps a little bit too much wood;)

It's made up by the original bullet hole still in one of the dining room mirrors!

Fliar Jul 18, 2019 2:08 pm

Today at 3* Lameloise (Eric Pras) in Chagny (Burgundy). A top-notch meal, with some truly amazing dishes. Three stars all the way - very traditional, in the best sense of the word.
They have a 3 course set lunch menu at 82 euros (we went a la carte though), which is fabulous value.
Highly recommended.

Fliar Jul 20, 2019 2:57 pm

Du Bon Laboureur (in Chenonceau) 1*. At 32 euros for 3 courses this was probably the cheapest and best value michelin meal I've had in a long time. Great food, beautifully presented and a solid 1 star, in a great environment.

Fliar Jul 22, 2019 3:52 pm

Chateau de Beaulieu (northern France, near Bethune). This is a nice country estate hotel in an otherwise unattratctive area of France (but good for a stopover on the way to/from the UK or northern Europe). Thte 2* restaurant was closed but the bistrot was open and served what was definitely a 1*, nudging 2* dinner for the ridiculous price of 40 euros for 4 courses in a lovely garden setting. Great food, nice room, highly recommended.

offerendum Jul 25, 2019 12:54 pm

Casual Bergamo 1 star
 
We had dinner at Casual by Enrico Bartolini Bergamo. After GLAM in Venice it was our second Bartolini restaurant. It was also awarded with one Michelin star.
The restaurant is modern, I liked the style.
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We took an individual tasting menu. IT was 120,00 € p.p.
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The quality was solid 1 star level, I would dine here again. Service was average.

sophialite Jul 28, 2019 11:55 am

Alright we are half way through the year and I've eaten at a bunch of places:

Eleven Madison Park - Once in Jan and again in May. Have been going at least once per year for the last ten years. Always at least an 8/10.

Gaggan - 8/10.

Bo Lan - 1/10. Waste of my life.

Ikoyi - 9/10. Love it.

Gramercy Tavern - 9/10. I had been there only twice before and am surprised I don't go there more often.

Confirmed Reservations:

El Cellar, Osteria Francescana.

Thinking of visiting:
Pujol. I'm in NYC again for Christmas and EMP 3 times a year is a bit much, so will ask my team to get Chefs Table or Le Bernardin. Never been to Chef's Table but LB didn't wow me the last time I was there. Might also try a Sushi place but not sure where in NYC to go. Nakazawa wow'd me the first time and disappointed the second. Yasuda is always a classic but I want to try something new.


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