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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 1:58 pm
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Is The Chicken Still Kiev?
Or is it now Kyiv chicken? The duck remains Peking. But the Pad is not Siamese.

How have political or similar changes changed (or not changed) the names of foods over time?

A long-standing place in Berkeley, yes, Berkeley, named Oriental Restaurant, recently closed after decades.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 3:48 pm
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Do they still serve American goulash in school cafeterias?

Are we back to French fries, instead of Freedom fries?

Belgian waffles are still Belgian but dont go out to lunch and suggest Dutch treat.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 3:50 pm
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AFAIK there's still Cantonese cuisine.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by BamaVol
Do they still serve American goulash in school cafeterias?
Goulash is the national food of Hungary.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 6:37 pm
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Chicken Kiev was one of my favorite dishes at Russian Tea Room. It was preceded by a soup of Pelmeny Siberia. I had the RTR cookbook and made both dishes. Good, but better at RTR.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by obscure2k
Chicken Kiev was one of my favorite dishes at Russian Tea Room. It was preceded by a soup of Pelmeny Siberia. I had the RTR cookbook and made both dishes. Good, but better at RTR.
Do you remember Kavkaz Restaurant at the intersection of Sunset Blvd, Horn Ave and Holloway Drive in West Hollywood, across Horn from Tower Records, in the space where Spago later opened at their original location? They made the best Chicken Kiev that I have ever eaten.

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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by obscure2k
Chicken Kiev was one of my favorite dishes at Russian Tea Room. It was preceded by a soup of Pelmeny Siberia. I had the RTR cookbook and made both dishes. Good, but better at RTR.
I have never heard of that soup but I agree that RTR chicken was very good. My mom's was a bit better though! You rarely see it anymore. I might have to make it again.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 8:11 pm
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Originally Posted by corky
I have never heard of that soup...
Here is a link to Craig Claiborne's recipe:He recommends serving them in soup bowls with hot consomm.
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Old Feb 21, 2022 | 10:39 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA884
Here is a link to Craig Claiborne's recipe:He recommends serving them in soup bowls with hot consomm.
That recipe comes close but IIRC, RTR garnished it with it with fresh dill.
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Originally Posted by TWA884
Goulash is the national food of Hungary.
No one from Hungary would recognize what is served in American school cafeterias.
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Old Feb 22, 2022 | 2:03 pm
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Always chicken Kiev to me, although perhaps not served la Russe.

I also think of Persian rather than Iranian cuisine.
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Old Feb 22, 2022 | 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by BamaVol
No one from Hungary would recognize what is served in American school cafeterias.
And no Italian will recognize the so-called pizza that is served in school cafeterias in the US.
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Old Feb 22, 2022 | 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA884
And no Italian will recognize the so-called pizza that is served in school cafeterias in the US.
But sometimes, just because the food is from and produced in a country doesn't necessarily make it edible either.

Here's an example of a meal I was served on United that was produced in Italy by Italians - it certainly shows its ethnic heritage but was completely inedible:



Here's its appellation of origin:


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Originally Posted by TWA884
And no Italian will recognize the so-called pizza that is served in school cafeterias in the US.
No one in Italy will bring you ranch dressing to dip your crusts either.
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Old Feb 23, 2022 | 8:52 am
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Originally Posted by TWA884
Do you remember Kavkaz Restaurant at the intersection of Sunset Blvd, Horn Ave and Holloway Drive in West Hollywood, across Horn from Tower Records, in the space where Spago later opened at their original location? They made the best Chicken Kiev that I have ever eaten.

Originally Posted by corky
I have never heard of that soup but I agree that RTR chicken was very good. My mom's was a bit better though! You rarely see it anymore. I might have to make it again.
Off topic - Tower Records. That's the way back machine!

Looking forward to a pic of the chicken from Corky's kitchen!
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