The "Häagen-Dazs ice cream" thread
Jan 19, 2014 | 8:09 am
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Jan 19, 2014 | 9:04 am
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Not sure what Alinlondon is referring to as "half the price" without a supermarket discount offer (BOGOF, 3 for 2, 2nd half price, etc.) is pushing it when comparing like for like ice creams with premium ingredients amongst all the supermarkets.
Here's a selection from 3 of the bigger players in the British market:
Waitrose seriously creamy Madagascan Vanilla:
Whole milk, whipping cream (34%), demerara sugar, skimmed milk powder, pasteurised free range egg, sugar, Madagascan vanilla extract (0.5%), Madagascan vanilla powder.
£4 for 500ml
Sainsbury's Vanilla Ice Cream, Taste the Difference
Whole Jersey Milk*(50%), Double Cream* (25%), Unrefined Cane Sugar, Skimmed Milk Powder*, Free Range Egg Yolk, Madagascan Vanilla Extract, Vanilla Powder * From Cow's Milk
£4 for 500ml
Tesco Finest Madagascan Vanilla Ice Cream
Whole Milk, Double Cream (Milk) (34%), Demerara Sugar, Dried Skimmed Milk, Pasteurised Free Range Egg, Sugar, Madagascan Vanilla (0.4%) (Vanilla Extract, Crushed Vanilla Pods)
£3 for 500ml
Haagen-Dazs Dairy Vanilla
Fresh Cream, Condensed Skimmed Milk, Sugar, Egg Yolk, Natural Vanilla Flavouring
£4.50 for 500ml
Hmmmm... Condensed milk (and a hefty proportion at that), no wonder it is so sickly sweet!
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Edit to add
Sorry to miss your latest response, Alinlondon
Tesco brand premium ice cream is consistent with your first post
Nearly half the price of Haagen Dasz and I would agree that the Bourbon Vanilla example has better ingredients (although this can be argued, particularly by those with sweet teeth!)
Here's a selection from 3 of the bigger players in the British market:
Waitrose seriously creamy Madagascan Vanilla:
Whole milk, whipping cream (34%), demerara sugar, skimmed milk powder, pasteurised free range egg, sugar, Madagascan vanilla extract (0.5%), Madagascan vanilla powder.
£4 for 500ml
Sainsbury's Vanilla Ice Cream, Taste the Difference
Whole Jersey Milk*(50%), Double Cream* (25%), Unrefined Cane Sugar, Skimmed Milk Powder*, Free Range Egg Yolk, Madagascan Vanilla Extract, Vanilla Powder * From Cow's Milk
£4 for 500ml
Tesco Finest Madagascan Vanilla Ice Cream
Whole Milk, Double Cream (Milk) (34%), Demerara Sugar, Dried Skimmed Milk, Pasteurised Free Range Egg, Sugar, Madagascan Vanilla (0.4%) (Vanilla Extract, Crushed Vanilla Pods)
£3 for 500ml
Haagen-Dazs Dairy Vanilla
Fresh Cream, Condensed Skimmed Milk, Sugar, Egg Yolk, Natural Vanilla Flavouring
£4.50 for 500ml
Hmmmm... Condensed milk (and a hefty proportion at that), no wonder it is so sickly sweet!
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Edit to add
Sorry to miss your latest response, Alinlondon
Tesco brand premium ice cream is consistent with your first post
Nearly half the price of Haagen Dasz and I would agree that the Bourbon Vanilla example has better ingredients (although this can be argued, particularly by those with sweet teeth!)
I do see that the other brands you listed have very respectable ingredient lists. That is not the norm in the US. HD is one of the very few that does not contain stabilizers and emulsifiers like carragean and guar gum among many others. Many also contain HFCS instead of sugar. Although the sweetness level of the HD flavors I normally buy (vanilla, strawberry, rocky road) is perfect for me, I would love to try the brands you listed.
Jan 19, 2014 | 10:36 am
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One can expect 100g of standard milk to have 5g of sugar (5%). My guess is that 100g of condensed milk would have something close to 15g of sugar. If unsweetened condensed milk makes up 200g, that's potentially an extra 20g of sugar (plus the 10g one expects milk to have naturally) that gets sneaked in undeclared into a Haagen Dasz 500g tub.
Concentrated apple juice is one of the ways companies add sugar "secretly" to children's foods and other products, milk is naturally sweet (or should be) and concentrating it makes it sweeter.
Sweetened condensed milk is more along the lines of how most of Ben & Jerry's flavours taste to me
Jan 19, 2014 | 11:02 am
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the death of haagen dazs:
Häagen-Dazs was bought by Pillsbury in 1983. General Mills bought Pillsbury in 2001.[13][14] However, in the United States and Canada, Häagen-Dazs products are produced by Nestlé subsidiary Dreyer's, which acquired the rights as part of the General Mills-Pillsbury deal.[15][16] The brand name is still owned by General Mills but is licensed to Nestlé in the US and Canada.
Häagen-Dazs was bought by Pillsbury in 1983. General Mills bought Pillsbury in 2001.[13][14] However, in the United States and Canada, Häagen-Dazs products are produced by Nestlé subsidiary Dreyer's, which acquired the rights as part of the General Mills-Pillsbury deal.[15][16] The brand name is still owned by General Mills but is licensed to Nestlé in the US and Canada.
Definitely. I have a source of farm fresh organic milk/cream and eggs near Elmira ON (is that part of Wellington County?) which is used for my home churned ice-cream (custard based). You control the sugar content.
Jan 19, 2014 | 11:59 am
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Dairy from the UK.
The main difference, IMO, is the superior lusciousness of the UK dairy products
. Even simple milk tastes better in the UK and don't get me started on chocolate. I don't know what it is about the quality of the dairy products in the UK but the US is no comparison. I'm not talking about small source creameries but the mass market stuff. And yes, OP, I agree with you. I'd take UK store brand double cream ice cream over Hagen Dazs any day.
But B&J Chocolate Therapy is something else entirely
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Still in the US we have to make do with what we've got. Hands down my favorite ice cream can be had at Rich's Farm in CT where you can watch the cows grazing on the hill while you enjoy your freshly made ice cream.
The main difference, IMO, is the superior lusciousness of the UK dairy products
. Even simple milk tastes better in the UK and don't get me started on chocolate. I don't know what it is about the quality of the dairy products in the UK but the US is no comparison. I'm not talking about small source creameries but the mass market stuff. And yes, OP, I agree with you. I'd take UK store brand double cream ice cream over Hagen Dazs any day.But B&J Chocolate Therapy is something else entirely
.Still in the US we have to make do with what we've got. Hands down my favorite ice cream can be had at Rich's Farm in CT where you can watch the cows grazing on the hill while you enjoy your freshly made ice cream.
Jan 19, 2014 | 12:05 pm
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Dairy from the UK.
The main difference, IMO, is the superior lusciousness of the UK dairy products. Even simple milk tastes better in the UK and don't get me started on chocolate. I don't know what it is about the quality of the dairy products in the UK but the US is no comparison. I'm not talking about small source creameries but the mass market stuff. And yes, OP, I agree with you. I'd take UK store brand double cream ice cream over Hagen Dazs any day.
But B&J Chocolate Therapy is something else entirely.
Still in the US we have to make do with what we've got. Hands down my favorite ice cream can be had at Rich's Farm in CT where you can watch the cows grazing on the hill while you enjoy your freshly made ice cream.
The main difference, IMO, is the superior lusciousness of the UK dairy products
. Even simple milk tastes better in the UK and don't get me started on chocolate. I don't know what it is about the quality of the dairy products in the UK but the US is no comparison. I'm not talking about small source creameries but the mass market stuff. And yes, OP, I agree with you. I'd take UK store brand double cream ice cream over Hagen Dazs any day.But B&J Chocolate Therapy is something else entirely
.Still in the US we have to make do with what we've got. Hands down my favorite ice cream can be had at Rich's Farm in CT where you can watch the cows grazing on the hill while you enjoy your freshly made ice cream.
I was at one of the cow to cone places a long time ago and my son (age 4 back then) asked which cow his ice-cream came from.
Jan 19, 2014 | 12:06 pm
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I'd be interested to know what the sugar content of unsweetened condensed milk is.
One can expect 100g of standard milk to have 5g of sugar (5%). My guess is that 100g of condensed milk would have something close to 15g of sugar. If unsweetened condensed milk makes up 200g, that's potentially an extra 20g of sugar (plus the 10g one expects milk to have naturally) that gets sneaked in undeclared into a Haagen Dasz 500g tub.
Concentrated apple juice is one of the ways companies add sugar "secretly" to children's foods and other products, milk is naturally sweet (or should be) and concentrating it makes it sweeter.
Sweetened condensed milk is more along the lines of how most of Ben & Jerry's flavours taste to me
One can expect 100g of standard milk to have 5g of sugar (5%). My guess is that 100g of condensed milk would have something close to 15g of sugar. If unsweetened condensed milk makes up 200g, that's potentially an extra 20g of sugar (plus the 10g one expects milk to have naturally) that gets sneaked in undeclared into a Haagen Dasz 500g tub.
Concentrated apple juice is one of the ways companies add sugar "secretly" to children's foods and other products, milk is naturally sweet (or should be) and concentrating it makes it sweeter.
Sweetened condensed milk is more along the lines of how most of Ben & Jerry's flavours taste to me
I totally agree with you about B&J. The flavors I've tried are extremely sweet. Far, far sweeter than HD.
Jan 19, 2014 | 1:31 pm
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Just as a note, Haggen Dazs Vanilla in the US does not contain condensed skim milk. http://www.haagendazs.com/Products/Product/2473.
Reason I wonder about this is that the Japanese Haagen Dazs website lists condensed/concentrated milk as an ingredient also.
クリーム、脱脂濃縮乳、砂糖、卵黄、バニラ香料、（原材料の一部に卵白を含む）
cream, skimmed concentrated milk, sugar, egg yolk, vanilla flavoring, (Including the egg white in a part of the raw materials)
http://www.haagen-dazs.co.jp/product...p/vanilla.html
Jan 19, 2014 | 9:26 pm
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It's not too far. Elmira is in Waterloo Region which is adjacent to Wellington County.
Jan 22, 2014 | 7:27 am
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Those things are vile, and taste nothing like real chocolate, lots of them too, so that picking them out is a chore.
Ingredients:
Cream (23%), Water, Sugar, Glucose Syrup, Condensed Skimmed Milk, Cocoa, Coconut Oil, Milkfat, Egg Yolks, Egg Whites, Natural Flavours, Stabilisers (Guar Gum, Pectin, Carrageenan), Anhydrous Milk Fat, Emulsifier (Soya Lecithin) Salt, Vanilla Extract.
Jan 22, 2014 | 7:50 am
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Agreed that nothing beats homemade ice cream, but if I'm buying it at the supermarket it's H-D only. Just start reading the ingredient lists on the various brands -- most of them, even so-called super-premium brands that cost much more than H-D, are full of stabilizers and thickeners and other junk. Some of the H-D flavors have more artificial ingredients than others, but there are a handful that contain only 3 or 4 ingredients. These have a pure taste and dense, creamy texture that freezes very hard.
Jan 22, 2014 | 11:30 am
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I'd be interested to know what the sugar content of unsweetened condensed milk is.
One can expect 100g of standard milk to have 5g of sugar (5%). My guess is that 100g of condensed milk would have something close to 15g of sugar. If unsweetened condensed milk makes up 200g, that's potentially an extra 20g of sugar (plus the 10g one expects milk to have naturally) that gets sneaked in undeclared into a Haagen Dasz 500g tub.
Concentrated apple juice is one of the ways companies add sugar "secretly" to children's foods and other products, milk is naturally sweet (or should be) and concentrating it makes it sweeter.
Sweetened condensed milk is more along the lines of how most of Ben & Jerry's flavours taste to me
One can expect 100g of standard milk to have 5g of sugar (5%). My guess is that 100g of condensed milk would have something close to 15g of sugar. If unsweetened condensed milk makes up 200g, that's potentially an extra 20g of sugar (plus the 10g one expects milk to have naturally) that gets sneaked in undeclared into a Haagen Dasz 500g tub.
Concentrated apple juice is one of the ways companies add sugar "secretly" to children's foods and other products, milk is naturally sweet (or should be) and concentrating it makes it sweeter.
Sweetened condensed milk is more along the lines of how most of Ben & Jerry's flavours taste to me
Jan 22, 2014 | 1:57 pm
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