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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 11:46 am
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Finding flights to PTP

Traveling from ATL but can relocate to anywhere in the US or caribe, destination is PTP. Is there a website where I can see all flights going in to PTP? I know it will be Delta partner Air France, and I want to search for the lowest prices but can't find a way to do it other than pulling up every single city on google flights.
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 2:22 pm
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You need to find a way to get to Miami, that's the only US destination served by AF directly to the DOM/TOM in the Caribbean. Looks dparts are Fridays and Sundays towards PTP.
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by mlin32
You need to find a way to get to Miami, that's the only US destination served by AF directly to the DOM/TOM in the Caribbean. Looks dparts are Fridays and Sundays towards PTP.
MIA is where I have always connected through, but the flights from ATL do not correspond well and I often have to stay overnight before I can catch the next flight. There are flights out of MCO as well, but not frequently. I am trying to find a site where I can look at all options in a bit easier manner.
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 5:07 pm
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No way to avoid overnights if you want the AF MIA-PTP flight and are going to/from ATL (due to flight timing) unless you book separate positioning flights to/from MIA on another carrier (such as AA. NK also has late night MIA-ATL flight if you are desperate). There are no MCO-PTP flights currently showing in schedule. Flying to/from MCO will still involve an MIA connection and overnight stay on outbound (return connection is same day possible as MIA-MCO filght departs at 9PM).

Roundtrip DL Main fares on MIA-PTP start at $550, AF has slightly cheaper Light fares starting at $510 roundtrip. DL Main fares on MCO-PTP start at $445 roundtrip which looks to be about as cheap as it gets for DL fares to PTP. BOS and JAX are slightly more at $463 RT and would also be considerably more inconvenient. ATL-PTP DL Main fares start at $845 RT. Cheapest option will probably be separate positioning ticket to MCO combined with MCO-PTP roundtrip ticket. But you won't be able to get around having to overnight somewhere to/from ATL if you want to stick with all DL flights. Note that the ULCCs like NK and F9 haven't extended their schedules out to next Winter/Spring yet.


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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 5:50 pm
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MCO does have AF to PTP, it is just very scattered, such as Thursdays and only certain months. That is why I keep asking is there ONE place I can go to see all flights to a particular location.
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by bigskyfarm
MCO does have AF to PTP, it is just very scattered, such as Thursdays and only certain months. That is why I keep asking is there ONE place I can go to see all flights to a particular location.
Non-stop option is grayed out in Google Flights for MCO-PTP which is a pretty strong indicator there is nothing currently loaded in schedule. Option should be selectable if there are any non-stop flights in schedule (even if they are irregular or less than daily). I also searched Enilria's weekly schedule change blog posts for MCO-PTP and nothing comes up (odds are if route was being flown, it would have shown up there at some point due to schedule changes).
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 8:31 pm
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There are flights from MCO to PTP. They are NOT direct, there are rarely ever any direct flights to PTP ( i have been doing this route a while just trying to find options) . Flights almost always stop in Haiti, I am not sure why anyone is under the impression that I am looking for non-stops..i wish! There are flights in October on select Thursdays and flights in November. I have no clue what Nilria's blog post is? Perhaps that is a good place to point me to start. I am looking for a sight to see ALL flights to PTP -- not just ATL, not just MIA or MCO. TIA!
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Old Jul 8, 2023 | 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by bigskyfarm
There are flights from MCO to PTP. They are NOT direct, there are rarely ever any direct flights to PTP ( i have been doing this route a while just trying to find options) . Flights almost always stop in Haiti, I am not sure why anyone is under the impression that I am looking for non-stops..i wish! There are flights in October on select Thursdays and flights in November. I have no clue what Nilria's blog post is? Perhaps that is a good place to point me to start. I am looking for a sight to see ALL flights to PTP -- not just ATL, not just MIA or MCO. TIA!
If you are not looking for non-stop or direct, you can get single through DL fares to/from PTP from many US cities. It's just that these through fares will require overnight layovers in MIA because of morning departure from MIA to PTP and the return flight arrival in the evening. Fares to PTP allow layovers of up to 24 hours as do most international fares (other than Canada/Mexico). While AF MIA-PTP flights may have had a stop at PAP in the past, these are now non-stop flights.

DL has 3 daily non-stop flights between MCO and MIA and MCO-MIA-PTP is a valid routing for DL MCO-PTP through fares. However, the earliest MCO-MIA flight does not arrive in time to catch the same day MIA-PTP flight. So you will need to book the MCO-PTP direction the day before the MIA-PTP flight and layover the night at MIA. There's no way around this. In the reverse direction, the last DL MIA-MCO flight is late enough in the evening that you can book PTP-MIA-MCO routing on same day. The screenshot of Google Flights I posted above reflects these routings and fares. However, there are no MCO-ATL flights available after the MIA-MCO evening flight arrives, so you will have a layover overnight in MCO on the return to ATL.

As far as cheapest DL fares on US to PPT, I'm 99.99% sure the $445 MCO-PTP RT fares are it (again, these are through fares even though you connect in MIA). While you can't check from every possible origin in US, I checked from a number of competitive US gateway cities (plus a number of smaller DL stations) on Google Flights and none of them were cheaper. The only ones that were close were out of BOS and JAX at $463 roundtrip.

If you are just looking for cheapest fares to PPT regardless of carrier, JetBlue looks like it wins here with 3x weekly non-stop flights on JFK-PTP starting in November from $318 roundtrip (for Blue Basic fares, $358 for Blue).

The fact that the AF flight between MIA and PTP leaves in the morning and arrives back in the evening imposes a lot of limitations. If you want 100% DL tickets, you will need overnight layovers in both directions. There's no way around this. If you are willing to book other carriers to reposition from ATL to/from MIA, and then book AF MIA-PTP RT on a separate ticket, you can potentially avoid overnight layovers. The problem with booking separate carriers is that you will potentially lose protection in the case of IRROPS. The absolute cheapest option looks to be repositioning to JFK and flying B6 to PTP. I doubt you will get any cheaper than this by island hopping on one of the Caribbean carriers to PTP.

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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 7:58 am
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Originally Posted by bigskyfarm
There are flights from MCO to PTP. They are NOT direct, there are rarely ever any direct flights to PTP ( i have been doing this route a while just trying to find options) . Flights almost always stop in Haiti, I am not sure why anyone is under the impression that I am looking for non-stops..i wish!
This sounds like a case where you don't understand what a "direct flight" is.

A nonstop flight operates from origin to destination without touching down at another airport.

A direct flight operates from origin to destination under the same flight number, but may stop at some number of other airports along the way. Traditionally a direct flight did this with the same aircraft, although you can now book "technically direct" flights that are effectively connections because you change aircraft at the stop; this is called a "direct flight with change of gauge".

If you claim you are looking for "not direct" options to PTP, that literally means any combination of flights from any city that can get you to PTP, which is basically an unlimited number of options. There are "not direct" flights to PTP from every US airport with commercial service.

Wikipedia does a fairly good job of listing nonstop destinations from a particular airport; for PTP from the US this is just MIA and JFK.
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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 8:27 am
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Note that it's basically impossible for DL to have direct flights to PTP currently with AF flying MIA-PTP route. DL metal flight numbers come from different ranges than codeshare flight numbers on partner metal. DL codeshare numbers on MIA-PTP/PTP-MIA flights are DL8624 and DL8532. As noted above, just because there are no direct flight numbers doesn't mean you can't book connecting itins on a single fare component. The AF A320s that do MIA-PTP also bounce between PTP-FDF, FDF-CAY, and CAY-BEL.

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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 3:42 pm
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Thank you - this is pretty much what I came up with, I was just hoping there would be a better connection out there somewhere. The timing of the JFK flights isn't great either. Maybe I will just go to SJU or SXM and enjoy a night there, then fly over on one of the smaller local carriers. I appreciate your help !
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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 3:48 pm
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PTP, FDF, and CAY have flights and schedules geared towards France mtropolitaine, as that's the main and most important destination (3 airlines too). Kind of like Hawaii and the mainland US. The flight from the DOM/TOM to the US has always been a cool afterthought, but an afterthought nonetheless.

A couple winters ago, AF tried a JFK - PTP link and one to YUL but the former must have failed to hit expectations because the following winter, they only kept the YUL - PTP direct flight on an A320.
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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 5:22 pm
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JetBlue also has a seasonal from JFK thats nonstop. Youre not on SkyTeam but just adding for completeness.

Ive done JFK-SXM on DL and then SXM-PTP on a separate carrier on the same day pretty seamlessly before (despite the mess that is the SXM airport).
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Old Jul 9, 2023 | 6:10 pm
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I had a cruise out of FDF a few years ago and that's when I too discovered how little lift there is between the U.S. and the French Caribbean.
Americans just don't go there even though both islands are very very French.
Ended up taking Norwegian from FLL to FDF and American back. Of course Norwegian doesn't operate the route any longer.
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