DenverBrian

Hard shutdowns also DECREASE excess deaths from car accidents.

obscure2k

time to lock this one up
Obscure2k
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FlyBitcoin

This is interesting...
https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/d...ace-masks.html
So DL using a third-party medical examiner decides if they can
1. Keep the passenger's revenue.
2. Let him/her fly without a mask.
3. Dump the risk on to some of their passengers by sitting that maskless person in their row.

This program is not complete unless it also offers a rapid CV-19 for that maskless person prior to boarding, or seat the passenger in the last row as a condition of "acceptance".

In my 30 years as a physician, there is no condition where one cannot tolerate a loose-fitting ear loop mask but can tolerate a flight at cabin pressure.

ceieoc

Moderator Note:
We have created a consolidated "Mask related" Thread for all closed Mask Related threads.




From WWJ Detroit News Radio 950: According to a Delta spokesperson, Flight 1227 on July 23, 2020 returned to the gate at Detroit Metro Airport because two travelers "were non-compliant with crew instructions."

More info: https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/artic...s-refuse-masks

Mountain Explorer

Sounds like it was handled professionally! Nice job Delta

Ed Bastian was very clear: "If you insist on not wearing a mask, we'll insist that you don't fly Delta"

https://www.today.com/money/delta-ce...insist-t187465

rylan

Good for FAs and pilot for going back to kick them off. I'm sure those pax are added to the DL no fly list.
Waiting for the video to show up online somewhere

Duke787

Good.

757FO

Nice job Delta. As I have posted elsewhere, I plan to do the same on my flights, with my airline.

readywhenyouare

I guess DL wants to be first for the lawsuits. They are way too vague. Are you no longer allowed to eat or drink on Delta flights? The "must comply with all crew member instructions" was out of hand even before this. Remember the power tripping UA flight attendants who kicked passengers off for taking selfies? This is as good a time as any to get it all out in the open. Requiring healthy, non-infectious people to wear a mask is just ripe for a lawsuit. If Ed thinks these passengers are simpletons, he's mistaken.

ATOBTTR

The whole point is that people who think they are "healthy" may still be carrying the virus, even if they are asymptomatic and could pass it to people who are not only risk for getting it, but higher risk for getting the worst symptoms. The virus has an-up-to 14 day incubation period and you may be carrying it and/or spreading it but be completely unaware you are doing so. Maybe you don't believe it, but some of us believe science and thankfully are glad DL chooses to believe in science and understand that with COVID, the reason you wear a mask is to keep yourself from potentially spreading it to others. Wearing a mask does little to protect yourself but greatly reduces your ability to spread it if you have it.

Ultimately, air travel is a privilege, not a right and DL is a private business that can implement policies as long as those policies don't interfere with customers' civil rights or discriminate against a protected class. You're always welcome to take other forms of transportation.

readywhenyouare

If Delta required a negative covid test for before flying then that would be acceptable and logical. Treating everyone as if they are infected is not. If you are infected then you shouldn't be flying at all. That would be like the bank requiring each customer to be escorted inside in handcuffs because they might try and hold the place up.

And as much as you track my posts you should have already seen that I am either driving or flying myself until this is all over.

DLASflyer

People like you are the reason our country ended up in the predicament we are in.

readywhenyouare

This is a place for discussion. If you don't appreciate other opinions then there are plenty of news only sites. I am able to convey my thoughts without insulting anyone.

ATOBTTR

There's still the possibility someone could become infected between the test and when they fly, unless DL is doing the tests at the gate as you board the plane

You mean like how each person is required to pass through security because they may be a terrorist?
The best example and explanation I've seen with respect to this is:
If you and I are both not wearing pants and one of us urinates, the urine can go everywhere and go on everyone else, regardless of whether or the other people are wearing pants.
If you are wearing pants and urinate yourself, most of the urine will be contained within your pants.
Same concept/theory applies to mask wearing. Wearing a mask, along with onboard HEPA filters (at least on most aircraft), and social distancing on board (at least on DL - other airlines aren't going as all-out for social distancing) all work together to significantly reduce the risk of spreading the risk. It doesn't mean the risk is zero. But the risk through all steps combined together significantly reduce the risk. This is a "the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts" aspect.

Then the fair question to ask is why does it matter to you what policies DL implements during this period if you're not going to fly again until it's all over?

readywhenyouare

I answered this in a previous thread but you didn't reply. If left unchallenged then Delta will require a mask from now on even when the virus is gone. Nothing is temporary with the airlines as I pointed out before. Those fuel surcharges were only supposed to be temporary but a decade later we are still paying them. Making everyone wear a mask greatly reduces Delta's onboard costs and gives them the excuse to not return catering, alcohol, etc to domestic flights. It also gives the flight attendants an excuse to retreat to their jump seats for the flight since they have nothing else to do.