FA Drinking while deadheading
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The FA could have been commuting home from work on a nonrev basis, not deadheading and not listed for a jumpseat. In that case, if the FA isn't wearing a uniform (not just the airline namebadge) it shouldn't be a problem.
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I think the issue is less that it was posted and more that it was presented as "just an innocent question" yet there were plenty of details that could actually lead to DL determining the employee being discussed. when you are truly asking a question for curiosity's sake, there is a way to phrase it. When you are being a busy-body and trying to play gotcha, there's a way to phrase that as well.
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It's also possible the flight attendant was not a DL flight attendant, but one from another airline opting to list for a jump seat cabin agreement. This is an agreement between airlines to allow other FA's to travel reciprocally for free if they don't have direct benefits with the airline they are flying on (like a Spirit FA trying to fly on DL metal). Doing this gives them the lowest standby priority, but it's free and an alternative to using a ZED (Zonal Employee Discount) fare. DL doesn't typically allow FA's to sit in FA on this type of agreement, but ultimately the gate agent may have had a moment of being nice when they shouldn't have and gave it anyhow.
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Help me out here, why in the world would Delta employees not in their uniform/deadheading/working in any capacity be displaying their badge? At most companies I have worked with you get in trouble if you are wearing your badge off the clock and/or in street clothes.
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Often if you wear your badge, you can go threw the crew member security instead of regular. Also, if you are flying standby or whatever, it's much easier to identify yourself as a Delta employee with your badge. I have seen this ALL the time, on multiple airlines so this isn't out of place at all. That being said, if they're not in uniform, they can do whatever they want within reason. If they want to drink, there is nothing to stop them unless they drink to excess is there a problem. I seriously don't understand why this is even an issue. I think the OP has too much time on their hands.
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Often if you wear your badge, you can go threw the crew member security instead of regular. Also, if you are flying standby or whatever, it's much easier to identify yourself as a Delta employee with your badge. I have seen this ALL the time, on multiple airlines so this isn't out of place at all. That being said, if they're not in uniform, they can do whatever they want within reason. If they want to drink, there is nothing to stop them unless they drink to excess is there a problem. I seriously don't understand why this is even an issue. I think the OP has too much time on their hands.
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Could the pilot work for something like FedEx, NetJets, etc.? If he/she doesn't work for a commercial airline, his/her employer might be paying for a FC ticket and if he/she isn't flying any planes within X hours, it could be perfectly fine to drink alcohol. AFAIK the rule for most USA commercial airlines is no drinking alcohol when in uniform (and in public, in that it's hard to see how a rule on this could be enforced within the pilot's own home or when alone in an hotel room, assuming shades are closed, etc.), but there could be other pilots for which this is not necessarily a problem.
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I think its dumb. Theres no legit reason, especially after clearing the TSA checkpoint, but even the TSA checkpoint wouldnt offer special treatment most of the time.
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Flight personnel often go through KCM (known crew member) and then show their ID at the gate if they want/need to pick up a paper boarding pass. At this point in time, they could certainly take off their ID, however, some leave them on, perhaps for fear of losing them in their bag when they may need it or want to show it. If you look at flight attendants who are working a flight, occasionally you'll see a DL FA with their ID around their neck tucked into their shirt/jacket. It isn't a requirement, but they want it handy just in case.
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Could the pilot work for something like FedEx, NetJets, etc.? If he/she doesn't work for a commercial airline, his/her employer might be paying for a FC ticket and if he/she isn't flying any planes within X hours, it could be perfectly fine to drink alcohol. AFAIK the rule for most USA commercial airlines is no drinking alcohol when in uniform (and in public, in that it's hard to see how a rule on this could be enforced within the pilot's own home or when alone in an hotel room, assuming shades are closed, etc.), but there could be other pilots for which this is not necessarily a problem.
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I believe that's a matter of company policy - confirmed by our discreet pilot private messenger. It doesn't surprise me that Delta would set standards for pilot behavior in-uniform, even while off duty. (They don't want people to think 'Hey, that pilot just finished his fourth drink, and now he's going to fly a plane!)
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As far as I'm aware there are some very concerning things with what OP brought up that should be reported.
If you are in uniform you are prohibited from drinking. So if this FA was in uniform and even had her badge on then she is 100% in the wrong and needs to be reported. This is against Delta policies and could jeopardize other pass travelers in the future making travel harder for them. You also mentioned that she had a ticket that said "FA Jumpseat Request" on it. If so she needs to be doubly reported because she would then be breaking FAA regulations.
On the flight manifest she would be listed as a non-operating crew member (which is different from a passenger or nonrev standby employee). If anything was to ever happen to the flight she would be subject to investigation as a crew member and not a passenger which means alcohol tests and other regulations that result in response to an aircraft incident. As a crew member (even non-operating crew member) you are subject to the same policies on drinking.
The bottom line is that the only acceptable to drink if you are listed as a non-rev standby traveler.
It may not seem like a big deal or the notion of not reporting someone for being "that person" but it's a serious offense. Please don't feel like you're in the wrong if you report them, you won't be and you'll be keeping the industry safe. I know many non-rev travelers who will thank you.
Edit: I'll also add that other airline employees traveling on another airline are expected to not drink if they're in uniform.
If you are in uniform you are prohibited from drinking. So if this FA was in uniform and even had her badge on then she is 100% in the wrong and needs to be reported. This is against Delta policies and could jeopardize other pass travelers in the future making travel harder for them. You also mentioned that she had a ticket that said "FA Jumpseat Request" on it. If so she needs to be doubly reported because she would then be breaking FAA regulations.
On the flight manifest she would be listed as a non-operating crew member (which is different from a passenger or nonrev standby employee). If anything was to ever happen to the flight she would be subject to investigation as a crew member and not a passenger which means alcohol tests and other regulations that result in response to an aircraft incident. As a crew member (even non-operating crew member) you are subject to the same policies on drinking.
The bottom line is that the only acceptable to drink if you are listed as a non-rev standby traveler.
It may not seem like a big deal or the notion of not reporting someone for being "that person" but it's a serious offense. Please don't feel like you're in the wrong if you report them, you won't be and you'll be keeping the industry safe. I know many non-rev travelers who will thank you.
Edit: I'll also add that other airline employees traveling on another airline are expected to not drink if they're in uniform.
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Also, wasn't this thread locked a day ago, and is now mysteriously un-locked again?