Zurick

pvn, unfortunately for those who need them, those who don't have hurt all.

flyerCO, I have been called by American Air and they have asked me details. They have specific criteria. YOu are correct, the ADA specifially forbids asking any questions of diagnosis, etc, The ACA does not. Airlines have been tougher after incidences of poop and urine on seat, etc. The ADA definition for a service animal means that they have been trained for a specific act. As we discussed the ACA does not. And it does not say which "mental illness" is required for an ESA. But if you are flying with one, good luck and let us know what happens - not your interpretation of the law or disagreement with AA's interpretation. I am sure that there will be a court case. I flew ATL > GVA this week which is 5 min longer than 8 hours to connection in Amsterdam and they would not let a woman on with her ESA with a "I'm a lawyer and I am going to sue you response"

jdrtravel

And this is a major issue: People believe all sorts of things, but where exactly are you finding a "preponderance of evidence" about the majority of them being "fake." Can you actually point to any evidence at all?

(and again, reiterating pvn's point that there's actually no such thing as a "fake" esa, unless we're talking about a stuffed animal)

pvn

no, what's hurt all is the authoritarian nosey busybodies getting all bent out of shape about "fake" animals when in many cases they don't even know what an ESA is, complaining about every dog they see, assuming anyone with a visible disability is a faker. Those are the people causing trouble. People who need these animals have enough problems in their lives, and these nosey jerks are making their lives even harder by demanding more and more of them.

jrl767

Zurick

Interesting in Europe on the Eurostar only a seeing or hearing dog is allowed. Otherwise you have to go by car on the train with the dog inside. As Europe and England drive on opposite sides of the street, you cannot rent a car either but need to hire a limo. From Paris to London costs about $1000

pvn

Amazingly, the US is not the EU and the laws differ from country to country.

MSPeconomist

davetravels

I flew PIT/LGA on Saturday morning <on Republic>. I was in 3A. The pax in 3C/D had a dog, and, 2C/D had a big cat.

I didn't see any ESA vests, it just seemed a little odd for them to be so close.

MSPeconomist

davetravels

Well, the FA saw the cat at the owner's feet during pushback, and told her to put it in the carrier. The dog was at the owner's feet, but, a little bit more under the seat in front, so, the FA might not have seen it. Both were EXTREMELY well behaved.

defrosted

You must have a cat.

Maybe not?

Most cats are jerks. I have a cat... I love it, but it is a jerk.

I am doubtful of anyone claiming a cat is an ESA.

pvn

ESAs aren't required to wear vests

davetravels

If you're referring to my post just above, I just threw that in. It was just an observation. For all I know, they may have both been paid pets in the cabin. I heard once that the number of pets in the cabin are limited, and I thought they would be separated by more than one row.

ULDB65

Here's an article from Psychology Today from 4 1/2 year ago: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...rowing-problem. "Service Animal Scams- A Growing Problem. "

The airlines themselves have reported a tremendous increase in animals in the cabin, and problems with animals in the cabin.

You could also search "fake esa certificates" or something similar and get a wealth of news articles, reports, etc., from a wide variety of sources.

pvn

neither of these are evidence of how many are "fake"