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Delta Bans Puppies and Kittens as Service/Support Animals

Delta Bans Puppies and Kittens as Service/Support Animals

Old Dec 10, 18, 11:01 pm
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Delta Bans Puppies and Kittens as Service/Support Animals

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...uls-2018-12-10

Title says it all. Also, in-cabin emotional support animals of all kinds are banned on flights longer than eight hours.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 12:01 am
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This was just about inevitable… With everyone abusing the system and was claiming just about everything was emotional support. It makes perfect sense on the extended long-haul flights there’s no realistic place for animals to use the bathroom so it was pretty inhumane.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 6:34 am
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Good and sensible move. I hope other airlines follow suit.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 7:22 am
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I agree that the whole ESA thing has gotten out of hand. However absent DOT rule changes, this new policy blantly against the law. DL seems to think they can take action in absence of DOT changing the rules. Not how it works.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 8:28 am
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Given the training that genuine service animals undergo, it would be unlikely that one would qualify (even to take a flight as part of training) at an age under four months. So the biggest impact of the change would apparently be to require the supposed ESAs aged between six or eight weeks (the fully weened requirement that carriers seem to impose) and four months to fly as paid cabin pets rather than for free as ESAs.

The maximum scheduled flight duration rules might have the unfortunate consequence of limiting travel (or forcing routes with more connections, but what if the connecting airport doesn't have bathroom facilities for animals?) for those who genuinely need service and support animals. I suspect that some routes such as TPAC cannot be covered with flights under six or eight hours, although perhaps the solution would be to go through Hawaii from the west coast, like people did many decades ago. OTOH, other countries have customs/import rules for live animals, so it might be impossible or difficult to take a service/support animal everywhere, even if there are foreign hotels that would allow the animal. Of course, any rules/restrictions would apply whenever the person must enter a country along the way, including attempting to go landside to provide a potty break for the animal.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 8:59 am
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So pax will need to provide long form birth certificate of ESA?
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Old Dec 11, 18, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO View Post
I agree that the whole ESA thing has gotten out of hand. However absent DOT rule changes, this new policy blantly against the law. DL seems to think they can take action in absence of DOT changing the rules. Not how it works.
Not sure about DOT rules, but Emotional Support Animals are not automatically given the same "protection' and 'rights' as other "trained" service animals. (
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Old Dec 11, 18, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by Orange County Commuter View Post
Not sure about DOT rules, but Emotional Support Animals are not automatically given the same "protection' and 'rights' as other "trained" service animals. (
Under current DOT rules ESA and service animals are on equal footing. It's part of the problem.
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The four month minimum seems to sync with rabies vaccination schedule- the booster shot for kittens is supposed to be given at week 16. Which would seem to be a very reasonable public health standard if it came up in court, given the 99.9% fatality rate after rabies infection.
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Tomorrow’s headlines will read: Delta Hates Puppies and Kittens, Fuels Jets with Blood of Newborn Infants.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by beachmouse View Post
The four month minimum seems to sync with rabies vaccination schedule- the booster shot for kittens is supposed to be given at week 16. Which would seem to be a very reasonable public health standard if it came up in court, given the 99.9% fatality rate after rabies infection.
I suspect - as FlyerCO does not - that Delta has had a lot of lawyers parse the relevant regs rather diligently.

Example: prohibiting ES animals on long-haul. The CFR allows carriers to set more rigorous standards on flights over eight hours. Can anyone reasonably affirm that the ESA dog 'won't do his business' on a flight that long? No? That's Delta's in for prohibiting them.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 11:51 am
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Delta says that their new policy is "consistent with the principles" of the ACAA. That's a nice way of saying it violates the plain language of the act, but they think they'll get away with it. Their blanket ban on 8 hours clearly violates the plain language of the act and would be struck down by a court.
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anthropomorphism - the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object.

Since when do animals use a “bathroom”? Animals defecate and urinate where they are trained to. Few are trained to use a “bathroom”.
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Originally Posted by RRDD View Post
anthropomorphism - the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object.

Since when do animals use a “bathroom”? Animals defecate and urinate where they are trained to. Few are trained to use a “bathroom”.
Guilty as charged. I was trying to be somewhat delicate in describing animals' behavior and bodily functions.

However, I have seen animals use "bathrooms" = lavatories on flights, and I would prefer this to seeing the animal just lift a leg or squat in the cabin. Of course, I don't know what actually happens in those bathrooms = lavatories. A few animals have apparently been trained to use toilets and more to use (human supplied) "puppy pads" or equivalent when they need to urinate or deficate.
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Old Dec 11, 18, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
I suspect - as FlyerCO does not - that Delta has had a lot of lawyers parse the relevant regs rather diligently.

Example: prohibiting ES animals on long-haul. The CFR allows carriers to set more rigorous standards on flights over eight hours. Can anyone reasonably affirm that the ESA dog 'won't do his business' on a flight that long? No? That's Delta's in for prohibiting them.
Sure, If the dog has been trained to hold it for 12 hours at home and fluid and food intake was managed before the flight then I don't see the issue. My dog (not an emotional support animal) used to tire himself out on long walks (runs) and sleep for like 10-12 hours straight right after. I'm sure I could have trained him to hold it for 12 hours if I tried. If service animals can be trained to hold it for 12 hours, so can ESA's. It is a violation of the plain language of the CFR. One can debate the merits of the policy, but the CFR is clear. If the CFR intended to prohibit ESA's on flights over 8 hours, it would have done so rather than made the requirements more rigorous.
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