C W

Unnerving is a gentle word. Hellish might do it more justice

DL-Don

They have.

C W

Wow, and that's a pretty good hit too. Flying piece of crap

SeaHawg

I stand corrected and humbly bow to the Don.

UA really had fits with tail strikes early-on.

SeaHawg

I'm sure anyone past row 20 probably s$@t normally... RIGHT IN THEIR PANTS!!! (In my best George Carlin voice)

C W

Apart from the tailstrike it looked gentler than a normal 739 landing

SeaHawg

I'm flying one of these turds out of SJU in a couple of weeks- I seriously may SDC if a 75 is available earlier. However, my wife will be flying with me, so this may be a great teachable moment since she always hears about how wretched these things are, yet she has never flown on one because I generally avoid them when we travel together.

She is like- What is so bad about them? Me: Everything except the AVOD...

mother-

Speaking of turds- If you're in F, make sure she gets the aisle seat so she gets the full crop-dusting treatment while the cart is in Y...

(AS has a mid-cabin lav still, right? So aisle F seats don't mean 30+ minutes of tactical leaning/mouth breathing/gasper vent angling per flight?)

KDCAflyer

I'm going to laugh so hard when the first fully loaded 737 MAX 10X tail strikes during takeoff.

Honestly I'm not sure what Boeing is thinking with the continuation of this design. Just suck it up and begin the process of getting a wider more modern fuselage certified. They're going to have to do it eventually.

Whenever I'm confronted with a Boeing fanboy, I point to DL's 739 configuration, and the 10x 787s. I don't get the love affair.

SeaHawg

I almost forgot about being knee-capped by that beverage cart, too. I had to sideways walk it off in the aisle. I told the FA that I know it's a poor design so the endless apologies were unnecessary.

readywhenyouare

Blame the airline, not Boeing. The A350 is flying with 10 abreast seating as well. Personally I prefer to fly on a plane where the pilot knows what is going on. How many high altitude stalls on the Airbus are we going to tolerate? The passengers of Air France 447 and Air Asia 8501 have unfortunately died in vain. Airbus pilots are trained to always trust the aircraft. But when the poop hits the fan and the computer hands the plane to the pilots they apparently have no idea how to fly it.

C W

This is just disingenuous. One minor French leasurie carrier is flying the A350 10-abreast. Ukrainian International Airlines flies 2-4-2 767s. There will generally be exceptions to the rule.

What is clear:

737, 747, and 757 all have 17" seats. The 787 has 17" seats except for a few JAL and ANA planes. The 777 is now transitioning to mostly 17" seats.

A320, A330, A340, and A350 all have 18" seats except for a few very oddball airlines like Air Caraïbes.

This is not a trend that can be attributed to airlines just happening to always put 1" narrower seats on Boeings. Boeing designs their planes for narrower seats.

And the passengers of Lauda Air Flight 004 died in vain on a 767 due to thrust reverser design flaws and the passengers of United Airlines Flight 585 and USAir Flight 427 died in vain on 737s due to poor rudder design. The A330's pitot tubes have been fixed, just like the 767's thrust reversers and the 737's rudder. So to directly answer the question about how many more high altitude Airbus stalls we will tolerate (or have): none.

There are innumerable design flaws that can be plucked from history for either brand. Thankfully both manufactures produce incredibly safe planes without statistically significant differences in widebody incidents or hull loses. I understand that you may feel emotionally and anecdotally that you prefer the pilot-plane interface in a Boeing, but statically there is no justification. I could equally understand somebody who felt emotionally that they preferred Airbus's more constrained approach since most accidents are still caused by human error, yet again such a feeling is not backed up by evidence.

kop84

Plus a 739 already needs as much runway as a A330-300. How much more runway is a MAX10 going to need?

Stretching the 737 to make a 10 just seems like a flimsy excuse to not develop a new single aisle MOM plane.

And while I'm not an engineer or anything even approximating one, is there something that prevents Boeing from updating some of the tech and slapping some new engines on the existing 757 design? That would seem to give them much more breathing room if they wanted to take their time and develop a white sheet MOM.

C W

I'll be right there laughing with you It will probably be a daily occurrence. Just sit out on the ATL F SkyDeck and soak in the schadenfreude as the flying wiener dogs drag their butts along the runway as they attempt to become airborne.

C W

That is properly insane. I'm not really surprised though considering what taking off in one feels like, especially loaded for a transcon. Ugh 739 transcon