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Old Jul 10, 2016, 5:48 pm
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Delta rolls out schedule changes pretty much every Saturday, though the scope/impact can vary. During this time, seat maps may be locked out, may show the wrong aircraft layout, etc. while changes are occurring. If you are not traveling immediately, FT conventional wisdom is to wait until Sunday (or even Monday in the case of major schedule adjustments where things take longer) for things to settle down, then take stock of your upcoming itineraries to see what changes have occurred and what changes/refunds you may be entitled to.

You are entitled to a full refund to original form of payment, even for a ticket that was purchased as a non-refundable ticket, if any of the following occur as a result of schedule change:
  • departure or arrival delay of 2hrs or more
  • increase in the number of flight segments (non-stop to connecting, 1-stop to 2-stop, etc.)
  • change resulting in a connection below the Minimum Connection Time for a given airport (do a Google search for "site:flyertalk.com minimum connecting time XXX" with the airport code to find the relevant thread if one exists)
  • any change in operating carrier, i.e. operated by Delta mainline before the schedule change and Delta Connection after the change
    • it is also a commonly-held belief that a change from Delta Connection to mainline, or from one Delta Connection carrier to a different Delta Connection carrier, also qualifies for a full refund -- if anyone has documentation of this, a link would be great...

The airline would rather keep your money than refund it, so they will frequently accept any vaguely reasonable rerouting that you propose. This includes, by policy, changing origin and/or destination within 100 miles, rebooking +/- two days, and changing outbound/return date to keep the length of the trip the same post-rebooking.

If none of the above conditions for a refund is true, you may still be entitled to a free change -- in your trip summary there will be a notice about changes/refunds, and per the "conditions apply" popup link in that text:

If a Delta schedule or routing change has delayed your departure or arrival by more than one hour, you may be eligible to select an alternate flight at no additional charge. Note that the below conditions may apply:
  • Your origin, destination and travel date must remain the same
  • Alternate flights must be available, and you can only modify once as subsequent changes may result in additional fees
  • Voluntary changes to other flights not impacted by a Delta schedule change may result in additional fees
If possible, you may wish to try modifying your flights online first -- there have been data points where the site allowed a free rebooking even though it did not technically fall into the above categories. NOTE however that self-rebooking online is known not to work if you have (1) any trip involving upgrade certificates (whether cleared or not), (2) if you have self-upgraded by picking an upgraded seat that said FREE (instead of waiting for the automated upgrade system sweep to reseat you in an upgraded seat), this seems to inhibit self-rebooking as well.

Otherwise, suggested best practice is to research your preferred alternative rebooking beforehand (whether DL flight search, Google Flights, ITA Matrix etc.) so that you can speak with an agent already knowing what you want, and ask for it; this will be much more efficient than having an agent find alternatives for you.

Other notes/FAQs:
  • Even if you voluntarily choose a preferred rebooking, you have a high likelihood of success claiming Original Routing Credit since the original reason for the change was involuntary.
  • If you booked through a travel agency, including online travel agencies (OTA) such as Expedia, Chase Ultimate Rewards, etc. you will have to contact them, not Delta, to request rerouting if the automatic rebooking is not satisfactory to you.
    • There have been reports of an agency insisting that a change of 2 hours was required (per the "pro" site) for a free change, even though the popup on the DL site says 1 hour
    • You can sometimes get Delta to take over a travel agency ticket; this is subject to a $50 fee to take over the ticket, although sometimes agents decline to collect it
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Old Aug 21, 2023, 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by rylan
Agreed. With a major schedule change which also caused a downgrade in service from D1 to F you should have full flexibility which also allows for +/- 2 days departure. Just call them up with what you want and they should accomodate.
Well they weren't able to do the DL846 4:25 pm flight. My guess is that it was over the 12 hour layover(?) in LAX? But she was able to do the later BOS-LAX on DL 462 (8:15 - 11:57) which may work out better anyway.

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Old Aug 21, 2023, 11:21 am
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Are you still on the DL1884 11:45al lax-sjd? There is an earlier 8:30am DL1875 also.

Odds are there will be another major schedule change so you can re-pick flights then too.
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Old Aug 21, 2023, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by rylan
Are you still on the DL1884 11:45al lax-sjd? There is an earlier 8:30am DL1875 also.

Odds are there will be another major schedule change so you can re-pick flights then too.
So current itinerary:
5/31/24 - BOS-LAX DL462 (8:15 pm - 11:57 pm). She was not able tod o the DL 846 4:25 pm-8:03 pm) supposedly due to award tickets can't be split up like that (I'm *assuming* it's the LAX-SJD segment at the 8:30 a.m. time I'd wanted, but who knows.
6/1/24 - LAX-SJD DL1875 8:30 a.m. - 11:07 a.m. (although the 1884 11:45 - 2:17 works too).

But yes, I'm anticipating another schedule change (although ironically my UA flight booked a year in advance has only changed once (at least via expertflyer +/- 15 minutes). Same with my AA flights for 10/1/23.
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Old Aug 21, 2023, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by hurnik
Well they weren't able to do the DL846 4:25 pm flight. My guess is that it was over the 12 hour layover(?) in LAX? But she was able to do the later BOS-LAX on DL 462 (8:15 - 11:57) which may work out better anyway.

Thanks all!
US-Mex fares permit layovers up to 16 hours on single fare. Most likely, it was an issue with married segment availability on flights as DL tends to be stingy with that with FC fares that involve D1 routes. Domestic FC fares actually do not even permit any segments on D1 routes (they are prohibited in the fare rules), but Caribbean/Mexico FC fares don't have such restrictions (but they will often limit married segment inventory availability on such routings). While the can waive original booking class inventory on flights, if the married segment inventory is J0 (actually, OJ0 for award flights) and there is no inventory at all, they won't be able to move you.
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 2:37 pm
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HUCA for schedule changes

I had major schedule changes due to cancellation of Air France flights. Delta spammed my Mail box for many months. I had enough of that. I called Delta to fix the flights two days ago, but the first agent insisted on booking the new flights on my original business fare code (Z), which made my trip two days longer because the cheap fare was not available on my originally booked dates. But my wife did not like it. I gave credit to this agent for trying to find flights that originated from another airport, which shorten my driving distance to the departure airport. To satisfy wifes demand, I called DL again today. The agent was very nice and shortened the trip by two days as I asked. One of the TATL flight is back on AF. The new booking code on all flights is D, instead of Z.
Cheers from a UA FFer.
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Kmxu
I had major schedule changes due to cancellation of Air France flights. Delta spammed my Mail box for many months. I had enough of that. I called Delta to fix the flights two days ago, but the first agent insisted on booking the new flights on my original business fare code (Z), which made my trip two days longer because the cheap fare was not available on my originally booked dates. But my wife did not like it. I gave credit to this agent for trying to find flights that originated from another airport, which shorten my driving distance to the departure airport. To satisfy wifes demand, I called DL again today. The agent was very nice and shortened the trip by two days as I asked. One of the TATL flight is back on AF. The new booking code on all flights is D, instead of Z.
Cheers from a UA FFer.
Glad you HUCA! That was definitely a misinformed first agent you first spoke with that needs immediate additional training.

Unless your ticket was booked with miles on a partner carrier, you do not need original fare class to be available for delta-initiated (or other airline initiated schedule changes).

Example:

DL cash ticket on DL Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL cash ticket on partner Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL miles ticket on DL Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL miles ticket on partner Metal in Z- This is where its required to be available. Also why I personally do not book award tickets on other carriers using DL miles.
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by GagaPilot
Glad you HUCA! That was definitely a misinformed first agent you first spoke with that needs immediate additional training.

Unless your ticket was booked with miles on a partner carrier, you do not need original fare class to be available for delta-initiated (or other airline initiated schedule changes).

Example:

DL cash ticket on DL Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL cash ticket on partner Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL miles ticket on DL Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL miles ticket on partner Metal in Z- This is where its required to be available. Also why I personally do not book award tickets on other carriers using DL miles.
Thank for the detailed explanation.
It was a cash ticket. That explained why the second agent gave me what I wanted. I wish that I more strongly pushed back on the first agent during the call, which lasted for more than an hour. The second call still took 21 minutes, though.

BTW, how could one get the first agent re-trained? She sounded very inexperienced. Personally, I think that some UA 1K agents are worse than this agent.
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by GagaPilot
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DL miles ticket on DL Metal in Z - no need for Z to be available.

DL miles ticket on partner Metal in Z- This is where it’s required to be available. Also why I personally do not book award tickets on other carriers using DL miles.
Well, sort of. DL uses OJ/OC/OD/OI/OZ buckets/classes for awards on it's own metal (Z is a revenue fare class). When booking Skymiles awards on partner metal, it will be a partner coded flight and the class will be whatever class the partner uses for for award bookings. VS uses G class for Upper Class awards, while AF/KL use O class for business class awards on it's metal. There are no DL award classes involved when booking Skymiles awards on partners. With awards on partners it is purely binary option (either they have inventory in their business class award bucket for DL Skymiles bookings on the flight, or they don't). Although pricing on awards on partner metal to/from US/Canada will vary based on route and meeting various award fare rule requirements of the different award levels on the route (like advance purchase requirements, roundtrip booking requirements, etc.).
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Old Aug 26, 2023, 11:29 am
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Bracing for this schedule change.
DL 152 on 12/12
DL 153 on 12/26
both changed in the app as STATUS NOT AVAILABLE.
What could this portend?
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Old Aug 26, 2023, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by FabCW
Bracing for this schedule change.
DL 152 on 12/12
DL 153 on 12/26
both changed in the app as STATUS NOT AVAILABLE.
What could this portend?
It could portend a 3 minute schedule change, a change in flight number, or a radical change. Or nothing. The flights haven't had inventory zeroed out, and there's no way they are eliminating the MSP-CDG flight. Considering it's 3.5 months away, perhaps just check on Monday and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
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Old Aug 26, 2023, 12:12 pm
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Ive see that often on upcoming flights, and it doesnt indicate a schedule change. Try starting a new booking with the same flights and days you already have. If it doesnt appear or says sold out (check every cabin class), those could be signs of a schedule change.
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Old Aug 27, 2023, 7:52 pm
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Originally Posted by FabCW
Bracing for this schedule change.
DL 152 on 12/12
DL 153 on 12/26
both changed in the app as STATUS NOT AVAILABLE.
What could this portend?
Quite possibly, nothing.

This is not a reliable indicator of a pending schedule change.

Missing / undefined aircraft type is your tip-off.
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Old Aug 27, 2023, 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam1222
It could portend a 3 minute schedule change, a change in flight number, or a radical change. Or nothing. The flights haven't had inventory zeroed out, and there's no way they are eliminating the MSP-CDG flight. Considering it's 3.5 months away, perhaps just check on Monday and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Looks like the departure time got pushed back by 15 minutes starting in November from 5:30PM to 5:45PM. Return leaves at 10:30AM instead of 10:15AM. The flight is still scheduled as daily through December but drops to 5x weekly for several weeks in January and February.


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Old Aug 27, 2023, 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by FabCW
Bracing for this schedule change.
DL 152 on 12/12
DL 153 on 12/26
both changed in the app as “STATUS NOT AVAILABLE.”
What could this portend?
You may have to click "Acknowledge" to see the new schedule/aircraft etc. Acknowledge does not mean accept; you do not forfeit any options by doing so.
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Old Aug 28, 2023, 6:54 pm
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Boy, I got hosed this last Saturday.

Split a PNR so Wife and Daughter could attend a last minute Concert scheduled for my Daughters Choir.

Were scheduled to leave 12/2 TUS-ATL-MCO
Changed them to leave late 12/3 TUS-LAX-MCO on a redeye LAX-MCO so they could leave after Concert and sleep as long as possible on on Redeye Arrive at 0651am 12/4. We are doing Disneyworld starting this day. Did this change on 8/24.
Come Saturday AM. Your flight has changed.
Messaged them today to find out LAX-MCO redeye cancelled.
Now routed TUS-SLC-ATL-MCO
Leaving TUS an hour earlier and arriving 2 hours later to MCO. Will miss part of first day in parks now and be even more wiped out as they will be able to sleep less with 2 stops.

So frustrated. Had to pay extra to change them in the first place and now routing is horrible.

Everything was great for 2 days... Ugggg
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