mnredfox

Wow. Who poked whose eye first?

MSPeconomist

Or DL resists rebooking its passengers onto other carriers because of the added expense.

readywhenyouare

That too, Delta will find any excuse to leave you high and dry. Before Amderson came along DL agents were allowed a lot of room to get passengers where they needed to be. On the Delta Shuttle if one of the flights were overbooked they would roll out an additional 727 to take the additional passengers. Eventually CRJ's were used for the extra sections but still, that's impressive. They really lived up to their marketing campaign of "Delta Gets You There". Now it's more like "we'll get you there when we're dam good and ready".

beckoa

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AS next?

ClipperDelta

I know you like to blame Richard Anderson for just about everything, but Anderson was not even at Delta yet when the Delta Shuttle guarantee was dropped. Here's a NY Times article from February 2005 talking about Delta dropping the extra section concept from the Delta Shuttle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/02/ny...past.html?_r=0

Richard Anderson joined Delta in 2007

flyerCO

Sad since I was just rebooked from DL LAX-AUS onto AA LAX-AUS today due to IRROPS.

golfingboy

Just a fun fact, but when I got suck in IROPs a few years ago on US as a paid F passenger, I looked over the options with an agent to get me from PHX-SJU in First/Business and the one way price that US would have to fork out if they book me on another airline was $1990.

Not cheap at all. We agreed to a workable option on US which included a sector in Y.

This whole development is certainly disappointing from both sides and this does not benefit anybody, particularly the customers

SYRRDU

I have booked that flight (~6pm) 6 times over the last year on US/AA and it has been cancelled twice, it has been significantly late 3 times arriving well past midnight. And only once, the last time I flew it, it arrived late, but only about an hour. Granted, much of it was weather, with some mechanical, but I expect that the NEW AA will operate more like the old US.

DL could make a good decision flying PIT-RDU direct.

sfozrhfco

Exactly, if DL had to pay full Y anyway, it would have been cheaper in many cases to go to www.southwest.com or www.jetblue.com and just buy a ticket for the passenger--but obviously they don't do that. They negotiate a reasonable discount on walk up fares which benefits both carriers. If DL is truly taking in more passengers than that are "giving" to AA, then DL is getting a reasonable amount of revenue for seats that would likely be empty anyway. Guess saving/making money is now more important than helping out the passengers. Will be interesting to see what happens in the winter. When something like DL skidding off the runway at LGA happens, DL won't have many options to protect passengers if it keeps acting the way it has in negotiating with other carriers.

kop84

DL might be getting some revenue from AA taking more passengers but it also leaves DL less room to protect their OWN passengers.

DFW-ATL on AA gets a mechanical and a bunch of passengers are transfered to the DL DFW-ATL flight. But just a few minutes later the DFW-DTW DL flight gets delayed but now there isn't room to re-accommodate Delta's existing passengers on the DL flight through ATL.

phenobarbital

There's a lot of silly comments here, and the same old suspects continue to post the same old nonsense...

1. AA/US send more people to DL then DL does to AA/US.

2. DL recognized this and said- you need to pay more if taking advantage of our investment in operational performance.

3. AA said no, and thus there is no deal.

Sounds fair to me, not sure how this turned into an evil DL story. Should be looking at AA's refusal to pay up if you want to find the bad guy.

kop84

I would also see this as a growing trend in the airline industry.

When ticketing agreements were established no carrier truly had a global reach so taking multiple carriers was necessary for a lot of O/D's

Then came partnerships where you could take multiple airlines who work together.

Then came consolidation in the alliance world where between *A, OW, and ST you can go nearly anywhere in the world from anywhere in the world.

Then came consolidation in the US market where DL, WN, AA, UA can take you from most anywhere in the country to most anywhere else in the country.

Then throw in the rise of the ME3 and AA, UA, DL don't want people booking cheap domestic tickets to one of their gateways to take the money making TATL flight on an ME3 carrier. It can still happen w/o ticketing/baggage agreements but it makes it a much bigger hassle.


I see in the next 5-10 years ticketing agreements existing only within the alliances. It is not very customer friendly but I think it's going to be a reality.

jrkmsp

I was a loyal (not so frequent) AA flyer for years through high school and college and my first job. It was AA IRROPS that booked me on my first DL flight. Sorry to see this go, but I get it.

Silver Meteor

Totally agree on the above.

Doesn't SW already have a no interline policy? If so, how come people are so upset at DL? Shouldn't they also be just as upset at SW? Just trying to figure this all out.

vgb2001

I got recently rebooked at ORD on my way to SAN on AA. It was a Y fare but I received the receipt and it was HEAVILY DISCOUNTED. As a matter of fact, it was about the same price as my original discounted economy fare on DL (X or T something like that).
Being on Y fare and seeing 2 first class seats available, I called AA to use miles or cash to upgrade and was told that this Y fare was not upgradable.