The Definitive "Delta - TSA Pre-Check" thread
Dec 26, 2013, 2:31 pm
#2776
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And I have the opposite opinion - I think a Plat. who has 75k MQMs (probably most of them from BIS) is a safer bet for pre-check than a passport or green card holder with GE who flies a couple of times a year (me). Although I like my pre-check GE advantage, I think Medallions are just as safe a risk (as far as airline safety is concerned). Remember, screening should be risk based, not privileged based.
http://www.tsa.gov/tsa-precheck/like...g-tsa-precheck
Dec 26, 2013, 2:33 pm
#2777
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I recently received the following e-mail from Delta-
Security, Streamlined.
Did you know that you can increase your chances of getting selected for the TSA PreCheck? If you are a frequent international traveler, consider participating in a program like Global Entry. Or, if your travels keep you stateside, check out the new TSA Pre Check Application program. Then, enjoy a more convenient journey through 100+ airports.
Does this mean paying the $85 or whatever the amount is per year further increases your chances of being selected for the TSA Pre Check even if you already have it because of being a GM, PM, or DM?
Security, Streamlined.
Did you know that you can increase your chances of getting selected for the TSA PreCheck? If you are a frequent international traveler, consider participating in a program like Global Entry. Or, if your travels keep you stateside, check out the new TSA Pre Check Application program. Then, enjoy a more convenient journey through 100+ airports.
Does this mean paying the $85 or whatever the amount is per year further increases your chances of being selected for the TSA Pre Check even if you already have it because of being a GM, PM, or DM?
I get it 100% of the time (fly twice a week) and have had GE since damn near the day it started.
And it pisses me off they give to people who DIDN'T pay and go through the prescreen interview.
The PC lines are getting longer than the non-PC lines!
Dec 26, 2013, 2:49 pm
#2778
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As for those who didnt pay but still get PC, try not renewing GE and maybe you can get PC for free, too. Indeed, it remains to be seen what will happen to those who have a KTN but dont pay their CBP/TSA renewal fees. Since the number is already in their airline profile, that may be enough for PC
That's a great time to go to the regular TSA lines. If they are faster, take advantage of it. ^
Dec 26, 2013, 2:52 pm
#2779
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If you have had GE since the beginning, then you didn’t get it for PC. PC has nothing to do with GE, totally different program. At $20/yr, GE is still excellent value for those who travel intl but it has been around a lot longer than PC.
As for those who didn’t pay but still get PC, try not renewing GE and maybe you can get PC for free, too. Indeed, it remains to be seen what will happen to those who have a KTN but don’t pay their CBP/TSA renewal fees. Since the number is already in their airline profile, that may be enough for PC…
As for those who didn’t pay but still get PC, try not renewing GE and maybe you can get PC for free, too. Indeed, it remains to be seen what will happen to those who have a KTN but don’t pay their CBP/TSA renewal fees. Since the number is already in their airline profile, that may be enough for PC…
PC was an additional benefit of GE (think of GE as the superset which includes PC).
And if you fly international once a year GE is worth its weight in gold.
You would have to be CRAZY to let your GE status lapse.
That's a great time to go to the regular TSA lines. If they are faster, take advantage of it. ^
They should SHOULD NOT BE, since it was supposed to be PRE-check, not RANDOM-check (and also the newbs slow things down by taking their shoes off anyway).
TSA ruined a great idea (no surprise).
Dec 26, 2013, 3:18 pm
#2780
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Global Entry began in 2008.
PreCheck began in 2011.
I don't think PreCheck was a benefit of Global Entry when Global Entry was created.
PreCheck began in 2011.
I don't think PreCheck was a benefit of Global Entry when Global Entry was created.
Dec 26, 2013, 3:29 pm
#2781
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Enrollment for TSA Pre✓ is available only at limited locations:
Alexandria, VA - Duke Street
Carson, CA
Coram, NY
Dundalk, MD
Indianapolis, IN - IND
La Plata, MD
Lindenhurst, NY
Long Beach, CA
Los Angeles - Glendale, CA
New York/New Jersey #1
New York/New Jersey #2 (New York, NY)
Carson, CA
Coram, NY
Dundalk, MD
Indianapolis, IN - IND
La Plata, MD
Lindenhurst, NY
Long Beach, CA
Los Angeles - Glendale, CA
New York/New Jersey #1
New York/New Jersey #2 (New York, NY)
The rapid "mid-December" expansion of enrollment centers has not materialized.
Dec 26, 2013, 3:38 pm
#2782
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Example: You are a Water Buffalo. The No Girls Allowed Club allows Water Buffalo members into the clubhouse. That doesn't mean your Water Buffalo membership includes a NGAC membership. It just means one organization is extending a courtesy to members of a different organization.
Your GE membership has nothing to do with PC. TSA extends a courtesy to those who purchased GE, but like those FFs who didn't pay, you didn't pay for PC, nor did TSA interview you. US Customs and Border Patrol interviewed you, and took your money.
Dec 26, 2013, 4:26 pm
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Dec 26, 2013, 5:29 pm
#2784
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Customs and Border Protection is a DHS sibling of TSA. And their overlapping roles are prominently disparaged in official accountability studies.
The GE Website, though, indicates you get GE when you purchase GE, although it might make you eligible for the other program, PC. If you look under "About" and "Benefits" there is no mention of PC. Under "Other Programs" it mentions PC, but clearly identifying it as "Other Program" and not part of GE.
Dec 26, 2013, 5:41 pm
#2785
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No. As others have stated, these are two different programs. These are not subsets of one and another.
Example: You are a Water Buffalo. The No Girls Allowed Club allows Water Buffalo members into the clubhouse. That doesn't mean your Water Buffalo membership includes a NGAC membership. It just means one organization is extending a courtesy to members of a different organization.
Your GE membership has nothing to do with PC. TSA extends a courtesy to those who purchased GE, but like those FFs who didn't pay, you didn't pay for PC, nor did TSA interview you. US Customs and Border Patrol interviewed you, and took your money.
Example: You are a Water Buffalo. The No Girls Allowed Club allows Water Buffalo members into the clubhouse. That doesn't mean your Water Buffalo membership includes a NGAC membership. It just means one organization is extending a courtesy to members of a different organization.
Your GE membership has nothing to do with PC. TSA extends a courtesy to those who purchased GE, but like those FFs who didn't pay, you didn't pay for PC, nor did TSA interview you. US Customs and Border Patrol interviewed you, and took your money.
Isn't GE and TSA precheck both run by the same govt dept???
Dec 26, 2013, 6:45 pm
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So, I just checked in for a flight tomorrow. Traveling with my parents and my younger brother. My parents like to have printed BPs, so I obliged them and printed them off. As usual, I had precheck. My mother's and my father's printed out normally. But I noticed my brother's had precheck printed on it. At first I thought I was imagining it. But there it was, part of the random inclusion. I guess it is pretty random, seeing as they selected a 16 year old kid and not the two 60-something adults traveling with us....
Bruce
Dec 26, 2013, 11:23 pm
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Note, it is not $85 per year. Your known traveler number will be good for 5 years after paying the $85 application fee.
Dec 27, 2013, 3:50 am
#2789
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Only suggesting that maybe you would feel better if you didnt pay the renewal for GE/PC like those freeloaders but still get to use PC because your KTN is already recorded.
Dec 27, 2013, 2:38 pm
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I don't think it's really that many extra steps. Everyone basically starts in the same location (The Atrium area) and ends up in the same location (the PlaneTrain area). Direct distance between the two is roughly the same no matter what route you take.
I guess if you park in South Parking, it's a little further since you have to cross to the opposite side of the Terminal. However, if you are not checking bags you could just as easily park in North or West Parking (West is my preference if there's space available). If you are coming in via MARTA (which I often do), it's actually more direct to go to the North or South Checkpoint than to zig-zag through The Atrium to the Main checkpoint.
-JimG
I guess if you park in South Parking, it's a little further since you have to cross to the opposite side of the Terminal. However, if you are not checking bags you could just as easily park in North or West Parking (West is my preference if there's space available). If you are coming in via MARTA (which I often do), it's actually more direct to go to the North or South Checkpoint than to zig-zag through The Atrium to the Main checkpoint.
-JimG
