(1) correct and (2) correct, textbook case.

David

Mr Hudson in coach? My god man, I want a photograph published on this website.;)

When I see my fare basis for the various segments pricing out a M, B or Y, I reprice the trip asking for "P" or better. In most cases, I can get a "P" or "A" fare which is close to my "Y" fare.

I do not book my trips... I just tell them the flights I want, so it could very well be. I am pretty sure I will get the upgrade, but I found it odd as typically on this route they upgraded right away. That is what prmpted me to go back and take a peek at it.

Good luck... and welcome to what one must suspect that DL management hopes the future reality will be.

I assure you this... I will just stop flying as much or take the easiest route regardless of airline if this is what the future holds. Loyalty is a 2 way street*

That is why I keep my signature line... ↓

Indeed; I generally find that a P fare is less than full Y in the markets I fly. In situations like this, when DL refuses to clear my fully refundable M/B/Y fare, I simply cancel and rebook into P once within 48 hours of flight time, in which case any fare is effectively fully flexible since you can refund up to midnight the next day after purchase.

Not if a DM is on a full Y fare. A SWU will trump full Y, but a FO on a Y fare will not trump a DM on a Y fare.

Said FO on a T fare rebooked into Y will trump a DM on a B fare that is not using a SWU.

Beat me to it. As I was reading this thread I said I need a picture of the Duke of Bombay sitting in coach..... And then I saw you beat me to the punch.... Well they say great minds think alike....

This is a good way round this problem, and indeed, P fares should in most cased be less than Y fares for most routes, and certainly H-UP, M-UP fares and other econo-upgrade fares etc. that book into A.

The only challenge is that you have a very defined window to accomplish this at the 48 hour mark to maintain the flight flexibility, and there is a "risk" that there is no A or P available to book in that window.

I know for quite a lot of folks, they can't buy an F ticket under corporate travel policies, but can buy any Economy fare such as Y etc. that then upgrade directly into F; these (often loyal and high value customers) seem to be getting the shaft a bit more these days over those of us that can buy directly into F on a discounted fare - and ironically, often for less than what DL is charging for the Y-fare that DL won't move up!

Straight flush

Ahh, true, true...

P fare is gone, but F is still available. 3 seats open in 1st and I am #1 out 27....

Understood but I'd have a little talk with the person booking to have them pay a little attention to what they are booking and if it is coming back "Y" fares, then try "P" and see if the pricing changes.