c_d

For a distinguished KM as you are one that can also be done on a LUT Actually, almost all of my OpUps were in LUT and I was sitting in coach while being on a M several times.

TrojanTraveler

You are correct in that your op-up chances are better on DL metal if you are a DL elite. DL pax on AF only get op-uped after all levels of FlyingBlue get op-uped.

vgb2001

All I'm saying is if you look at several flights where O=0 for weeks, on the day of departure they were still J9

mnredfox

Well, all my years as NW SE, GE, PE and then DL PM, DM I didn't get squat. We'll see if there's any more love to the green taggers.

Ha, fare class hasn't meant squat and still doesn't. Glad you at least got some op ups. ^

c_d

Guys, hell froze over! One of my alarms just triggered for O availability BOS-CDG (AF321 in case someone is flexible) for the holiday week end. All other city pairs I observed still remain at J/9 but O/0 for this weekend (ATL, JFK, DTW, MSP). In particular the two J/9 C/9 D/9 I/9 Z/9 O/0 are slowly but surely angering me.

jimgraffam

Unfortunately, hell just unfroze. SWUs are not valid on 747 flights. Meh.

c_d

Not really, there is O availability out there, we just cannot use it. (So no one can claim that there is no O out there (irony))

Is an AF YBM upgrade with miles possible? The terms are slightly misleading, since only when W comes in play, the 744 is excluded: https://www.delta.com/skymiles/use_m...ds/index.jsp#7

vgb2001

Got very excited and started checking JFK-CDG or DTW-CDG around my dates (09-21), still nothing of any flights +/- 3 days...

Barbella7

So if I understand this right, in order to upgrade my Delta coded flight, I need to call DL and get them to change it to AF (ie DL 8581-> AF 7). Then if O opens up, I call and get the upgrade from Premium Economy. Are there any repercussions of doing this now to save time later? Same with any other flight?

mtkeller

You actually get fewer RDM (but the same MQM) when it's booked under the AF flight number instead of the DL flight number. Thus, I would not ask them to change it until you find O inventory. Additionally, they may be reluctant (or totally unwilling) to make the change now without a clear reason to do so.

mnredfox

Still nothing for my upcoming flights...

vgb2001

I was wondering if making the change would increase one's chances to being contacted by AF for a paid upgrade?
My next flight is Y1, W1 but J9. My guess is that AF is going to send some of those "would you want to upgrade to J for $xxx" emails and I would really want to be contacted (since O=0 for months now).

Loran

Many thanks to the guide written by vgb2001; in the end everything worked out well.

My first problem was trying to get myself to Berlin. Delta's web site would only route me through Amsterdam, and no matter how I tried to split the flights up on a multi-city search it came back with an error. The web just wouldn't accept BER for after the airport move or even TXL for before the move.

The second problem was more minor for me, AF O availability. I'm traveling next spring, but given experiences reported here figured I better book now. Availability from LAX on the A380 was pretty good a few weeks ago but now for the same time period it has dried up. Coming from the west coast this was a bummer as I'd rather have a long transatlantic flight. Availability was best to/from ORD and IAD, with IAH variable. LAX was minimal, and SFO and ATL were non-existent.

The third problem was getting a stopover in CDG which appeared to be allowed by the W fare rules. When I added that to a sample web booking to FRA the cost went up by about $1000.

So I booked a ticket PDX-FRA-RT with all the flights and dates I wanted. In order to get W class I had to search for W, not Y (this is different from the guide). I then called Delta and explained I really wanted to go to Berlin and I also wanted a Paris layover. I figured this was easier than spelling out all the flights I wanted and having the agent try to sell me PDX-AMS-BER.

After 5 minutes the agent sent me to the int'l re-issue desk since they would need to deal with it anyway. That desk had a very hard time finding the CDG-BER flights, and even with me giving them the DL code-share flight numbers it took a while. After about 30 minutes, explaining again why I want to fly via IAD (I don't, but I'm forced if I want to upgrade without paying a ridiculous Delta M fare) I got switched to Berlin and had the Paris layover, for about $60 more than the FRA flight I booked.

Then I requested the SWUs and another 30 min phone call later was done. This time the first agent got everything set up and without me asking sent me to the reissue desk where the ~$40 luxury tax was collected.

I'm happy to have the upgrade, but what should have taken 10 minutes took about 45 minutes of struggling with Delta's website and an hour on the phone. One can only hope they'll simplify the process in the future.

c_d

Forget about it, when I arrived in ATL yesterday, my AF flight was still J9 with O0. I scored an OpUp though, so basically I saved a SWU (hooray )

There is no approach of "foreign" pax, as the SkyTeam desk in CDG confirmed when I was specifically requesting that very information yesterday. Only FB members so far and of those only members with a fully filled profile. Also, AF flight numbers ONLY - no code share flt #.

vgb2001

Thanks for this. The reason why I was still hoping is that redtop43 reported somewhere that his wife was contacted by AF to upgrade her Y delta award ticket on AF metal (JFK/CDG) for E139 to PV or E329 to Affaires.
So I fully filed my profile on AF and KLM website...still hoping.

My next flight shows J9W1Y1 so if not contacted for a paid upgrade, still keeping my fingers crossed for an op-up :-)