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StayingHomeIsBetter Oct 31, 2010 6:36 pm

I am all in favor of firing pilots for lame attempts at humor... just as long as we also get the right to fire politicians for lame attempts at humor.

... after we fire a bunch of them on Tuesday for lame attempts at governing. :D


P.S.: In before the lock.;)

N639DL Oct 31, 2010 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 15049456)
I am all in favor of firing pilots for lame attempts at humor... just as long as we also get the right to fire politicians for lame attempts at humor.

... after we fire a bunch of them on Tuesday for lame attempts at governing. :D


P.S.: In before the lock.;)

A pilot and a politican are two totally different jobs. A politican's job is to support the people that they represent, and almost all are politically biased, being affiliated with a party. They do make decisions based on their political opinions/biases from political parties, etc.

A pilot's job is to safely fly people on a plane, which has nothing to do with politics.

MachOne Oct 31, 2010 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 15045264)
I've never seen a FA with a political button. If I did, I would report it. Political displays or political proselytizing at the workplace, especially around customers, is verboten. .

I have seen a FA wearing a jeweled pin with the animal symbol for a particular mainstream political party.

As others have said, politics should stay off the uniforms and off the PA.

No lock yet ;-)

MO

jimrpa Oct 31, 2010 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by MachOne (Post 15049919)
I have seen a FA wearing a jeweled pin with the animal symbol for a particular mainstream political party.

As others have said, politics should stay off the uniforms and off the PA.

No lock yet ;-)

MO

I suspect that wearing political symbols is against the uniform standards of Delta. In fact, I suspect that Delta has standards that restrict what can be worn as part of a uniform. If they don't, they bloody well should.

Oh, and where the heck is the lock? :D

jimrpa Oct 31, 2010 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by Bicostal (Post 15048633)
Happens to be the one he says he represents.....

I find it challenging and inconvenient that the airspace around Air Force 1 is so sacred that it stops commercial aviation for hours and miles around. A 4 hour ground stop in SAN when BO was in NYC and 2 hour delay for BO when TK was being euligized in BOS (and they didn't even use Logan!), and once or twice for BC.

What makes it so special or necessary?

Well, can you imagine the amount of paperwork that someone would have to fill out if some whack job managed to take out AF1? Worse, do you have any idea how much those aircraft cost? They aren't exactly in the standard 478 pax configuration :D

Further, I'd really hate having to listen to the fair and balanced coverage of the incident on Fox News. :D

And you do realize that, if AF1 were ever successfully taken out, our calm, rational response would be to permanently cease all non-military air travel (except for Saudi Royals being smuggled out of the US), right? :D

gelaro Oct 31, 2010 8:44 pm


It is completely inappropriate and unprofessional for him to make blatantly political statements his passengers while in uniform responsible for their safety. It calls into question his judgment, attitude and competence and deserves, at a minimum, a very severe reprimand and notation in his permanent record.
Seriously? Cracking a lame political joke calls into question his judgment, attitude, and competence? You really want us to believe that a guy with thousands of hours of flying in all sorts of condition is incompetent because he attempts a bit of humor about a politician shutting down an airport?

Imagine the next job this pilot applies for: "Uh, sorry sir, we can't hire you with your thousands of hours of spotless flying because one day you attempted to crack a funny when being held up from landing by a politician. We obviously see that you are incompetent to fly."

You need a life if you are offended by this. You need to stop flying if you judge a pilot's competence by his sense of humor or perceived political position.

buffcoat Nov 1, 2010 9:07 am

For the record, I don't think he should be fired or reprimanded formally (this time). I think he should be told to keep politics out of his addresses to the passengers. That's not so much to ask, is it?

Free speech doesn't extend to your job for the most part. Most of the people who work where I do happen to have different political opinions than the industry we serve, but none of our clients would ever have any idea because it's simply not professional to talk politics with the people you're supposed to be serving.

It's such an obvious thing that it really does seem like someone needs to sit down with this guy and explain to him that there are certain standards of behavior expected of him. I'd be interested to see if he understands them all.

jimrpa Nov 1, 2010 9:22 am


Originally Posted by gelaro (Post 15050010)
Seriously? Cracking a lame political joke calls into question his judgment, attitude, and competence? You really want us to believe that a guy with thousands of hours of flying in all sorts of condition is incompetent because he attempts a bit of humor about a politician shutting down an airport?

Imagine the next job this pilot applies for: "Uh, sorry sir, we can't hire you with your thousands of hours of spotless flying because one day you attempted to crack a funny when being held up from landing by a politician. We obviously see that you are incompetent to fly."

You need a life if you are offended by this. You need to stop flying if you judge a pilot's competence by his sense of humor or perceived political position.

I don't believe anyone is judging is competency to act as Pilot In Command. On the other hand, it seems like he probably shouldn't be in a public-facing position. There are many outstanding positions for highly-qualified, experienced PICs that don't require dealing with customers. Private, freight, charter (perhaps he could charter for politicians who share his political beliefs, if that's important to him).

Bottom line - no matter what your role, if you're in a customer service position, you need to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner. Applies to the teen selling popcorn at Disney as much as it applies to the 35 year vetran with 10s of thousands of PIC hours in the cockpit of a 747.

socrates Nov 1, 2010 9:34 am


Originally Posted by s1c3r1a1b3b3l1e1 (Post 15043768)
Now, that is interesting. I would have put money on it being a PMDL crew from somewhere in the South. I didn't even know there was a single Republican in Southeast Michigan! It must not be a Detroit based crew.

and we all know there's even fewer Republican's in MN - land of Mosquetto's and Taxes

Crazyhotelguy Nov 1, 2010 9:35 am


Originally Posted by N639DL (Post 15049501)
A pilot and a politican are two totally different jobs. A politican's job is to support the people that they represent, and almost all are politically biased, being affiliated with a party. They do make decisions based on their political opinions/biases from political parties, etc.

A pilot's job is to safely fly people on a plane, which has nothing to do with politics.

Thus a lot of politicians will be getting the boot Tuesday for not performing their job.


Paging Mr. Lock.....

socrates Nov 1, 2010 9:37 am


Originally Posted by N639DL (Post 15049501)
A pilot and a politican are two totally different jobs. A politican's job is to support the people that they represent, and almost all are politically biased, being affiliated with a party. They do make decisions based on their political opinions/biases from political parties, etc.

A pilot's job is to safely fly people on a plane, which has nothing to do with politics.

Ah see this is why bad elected officials keep getting elected....an elected official's main job is to stay elected, some believe the best way to accomplish this is to represent the folks who elected them but unfortunately not all of them agree (some even believe they should give loyalty to party leadership instead)

A Pilot's job is to safely fly people on a plane as close to the schedule as safely possible

Unfortunately the first can impact the 2nd......wonder if the FAA will waive the 3 hour rule for such delays-doubt it

socrates Nov 1, 2010 9:41 am


Originally Posted by orlandodlplat (Post 15043743)
Not for nothing, but we're now descending and I have yet to hear the word "Delta" from PMNW flight deck crew or PMNW FAs. Just saying...

Just curious: Are you still able to pick out the Western Airline crews too?

Delta has been in charge of both airlines for OVER 2 YEARS NOW! If they are giving you bad service then DL is certainly at fault today.

BTW: PMDL FA's are now flying on 319's, and the PMDL/NW Flight Crews have been transfering to different equipment for almost a year now (with a few exceptions such as the 744's and the 777's I believe)

Crazyhotelguy Nov 1, 2010 9:47 am


Originally Posted by socrates (Post 15052291)
Just curious: Are you still able to pick out the Western Airline crews too?

Delta has been in charge of both airlines for OVER 2 YEARS NOW! If they are giving you bad service then DL is certainly at fault today.

BTW: PMDL FA's are now flying on 319's, and the PMDL/NW Flight Crews have been transfering to different equipment for almost a year now (with a few exceptions such as the 744's and the 777's I believe)

GREAT POINT!!!!! When will the loyal Obamanites figure this out?? The dems/Obama have been in charge of the country for TWO YEARS, yet they still blame the issues of today on the prior management, I mean President!!!

PAGING MR. LOCK, MR THREAD LOCK!!!

USAF_Pride Nov 1, 2010 9:49 am

I am looking to kick something.. Where was that dead horse at?

Crazyhotelguy Nov 1, 2010 9:52 am


Originally Posted by USAF_Pride (Post 15052349)
I am looking to kick something.. Where was that dead horse at?

:)


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