Delta applies for HND-SEA/LAX/HNL/DTW
Feb 17, 2010, 6:47 pm
#61
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Japan(Osaka, Yokohama) AMS
Programs: DL Platinum
Posts: 48
NW had (now DL has) 2 x daily HNL-NRT on 747's. DL is adding, starting later this summer, a third daily HNL-NRT (on A330). Also there is daily HNL-KIX on DL. And then a lot (I think like 7 from seeing the JL area departures board at HNL airport recently, but I may be off slightly) daily flights to Japan on JL (NRT, NGO, KIX), code shared with AA of course. And then also a bunch of UA and NH flights also. So all together well over 10, approaching 20, total daily HNL - Japan flights on 777's/747's/A330's, and carriers seem to be adding capacity to it to meet the demand. Total pax capacity daily HNL - Japan currently I'd estimate at somewhere around 5000.
Even KE is adding a second HNL-NRT flight, as the daily flight there (B747) is so full that they need to add a second flight, I think thrice weekly for now (as of this summer also, and staying on for fall and winter).
So, the loads are definitely high from HNL to Asia bound (or rather from, as these flights are mostly tourists that bring US economy much needed $$), both to Japan and also to Korea, and airlines (DL, KE - not sure about others like HA or China Airlines) are adding capacity this year.
Even KE is adding a second HNL-NRT flight, as the daily flight there (B747) is so full that they need to add a second flight, I think thrice weekly for now (as of this summer also, and staying on for fall and winter).
So, the loads are definitely high from HNL to Asia bound (or rather from, as these flights are mostly tourists that bring US economy much needed $$), both to Japan and also to Korea, and airlines (DL, KE - not sure about others like HA or China Airlines) are adding capacity this year.
The # of flights is 8-10.(not including KIX, NGO and etc.)
DL 2X747(in high season, + A330).
UA 1x777
JAL(JO) 3X747 1x767(via Big Island, KOA)
NH 1X763
CI 1x747(no service on Sun. Thur.)
Especially in high season, end of March, 1st week of May(Golden week), end of July-entire August(cost over $1500 in Y from Aug10-15), Mid September and end of the year(Dec. 27th~), it is very hard to get ticket unless buying super expensive one or in advance.
I hope that some carriers operate to HNL in early morning. I want more time options to departure.
Feb 17, 2010, 7:11 pm
#62
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: HNL
Programs: DL PM/1MM, BW DE (lifetime), HH DE, Marriott PE (lifetime), National Emerald Executive
Posts: 7,205
Exactly, so HND flights to HNL would provide the most public benefit: in increasing US federal and state tax collections, creating more jobs, and bringing in more tourists.
There are already more flights between HNL and Japan than any other US city, and it's still enough. It's clear where the demand is. And where there is more demand than supply, it makes sense to increase the supply. Everyone benefits.
If the DoT has good sense, it should award 2 slots to HNL (perhaps one to HA, one to DL), and the other 2 elsewhere (perhaps more east coast like DTW and EWR, as to west coast and central makes sense to connect via HNL) - as here more than anywhere else it'll bring benefit to the general public, and US economy esp.
There are already more flights between HNL and Japan than any other US city, and it's still enough. It's clear where the demand is. And where there is more demand than supply, it makes sense to increase the supply. Everyone benefits.
If the DoT has good sense, it should award 2 slots to HNL (perhaps one to HA, one to DL), and the other 2 elsewhere (perhaps more east coast like DTW and EWR, as to west coast and central makes sense to connect via HNL) - as here more than anywhere else it'll bring benefit to the general public, and US economy esp.
Feb 17, 2010, 9:39 pm
#63
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Here Today Gone Tomorrow
Programs: NW Silver, CO Silver,SPG Gold, USMint Presidential, Chase/BA 100k, Airtran Wendy's cups
Posts: 815
I would assume DTW will get a slot. A poster back stated it would be challenging to obtain business travelers. I disagree. I think this flight would benefit the many business travelers going to a from Japan with all the auto executives and engineers. Not to mention it would be a easy connection to the Midwest and East coast. Of all the proposed routs this one seems to make the most sense for me. You can finish a full day of work still make it home for a quick shower and off the Japan for a next day(or 2) meeting.
Leaving Japan you could be in a board meeting a by 9am, sign the deal, and be out the same night. This also could make a interesting MR.
Leaving Japan you could be in a board meeting a by 9am, sign the deal, and be out the same night. This also could make a interesting MR.
Feb 17, 2010, 10:30 pm
#64
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: DFW
Programs: UA, DL, LH, Marriott, Amex
Posts: 554
Feb 17, 2010, 10:37 pm
#65
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hopefully on a plane...
Posts: 6,580
Somehow I wouldn't like to fly HND-DTW-HNL or HND-DTW-LAX or HND-DTW-SFO or HND-DTW-SLC or (...). Sorry.. but that just makes no sense whatsoever. DTW is so far east that it cuts out connections to the majority of US from HND by making one backtrack back west again a lot, and adding unnecessary flying time + burning extra fuel.
..while via HNL it's easy to go to anywhere. HND-HNL- SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, SLC, EWR, DTW, MSP, SLC, ATL, ORD, PHX, CLT, and so on: all easy and practical connections.
..while via HNL it's easy to go to anywhere. HND-HNL- SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, SLC, EWR, DTW, MSP, SLC, ATL, ORD, PHX, CLT, and so on: all easy and practical connections.
HND-HNL-ATL = 8,356
HND-DTW-ATL = 7,021
HND-HNL-SLC = 6847
HND-DTW-SLC = 7908
HND-HNL-MCI = 7,747
HND-DTW-MCI = 7,056
HND-HNL-DEN = 7,218
HND-HNL-DWN 7,550
Feb 17, 2010, 10:58 pm
#66
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: NW OH
Programs: DL PM/KM, AC *G, AS MVP-100K
Posts: 829
My prediction is one slot to each alliance, to balance competitive concerns, plus one to HA. Most likely:
HA - HNL
DL - DTW
CO - EWR
AA - LAX
Doesn't DL have TPAC ATI with KE?
HA - HNL
DL - DTW
CO - EWR
AA - LAX
Doesn't DL have TPAC ATI with KE?
Feb 17, 2010, 11:59 pm
#67
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: ATL/SLC
Posts: 3,540
Luckily the DoT realizes that it's in the best interest to help the US-based travelers, not the Japan-based travelers. They have no interest in what will help the local economies the most - they are most interested in what will serve the largest and most important markets, and what will provide the most connectivity.
Feb 18, 2010, 3:34 am
#69
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SEA
Programs: UA Silver, BA Gold, DL Gold
Posts: 9,779
Depending upon how the proposed ATI's for CO/UA/NH and AA/JL go ahead, then concerns over competition should actually privilege DL. Remember that there are more slots being made available to NH and JL than to the US carriers. If the ATI's go ahead, this means that CO, UA, and AA get de facto slots via their JV partners. Giving DL more slots, then, provides more competition, as they are the only carrier without a Japanese partner.