New DTW-HNL nonstop starting June 2 2010
Dec 2, 2009, 1:28 pm
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New DTW-HNL nonstop starting June 2 2010
In addition to new SAN-HNL with the 757, DL will be starting new nonstop DTW-HNL A333 service 3x weekly on June 2 2010:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-....html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-....html?x=0&.v=1
Dec 2, 2009, 1:30 pm
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Aw! You beat me to it! I've been bursting at the seams with this news after I read the update on Deltanet. But respecting the rules, I contained myself. The drawback to this announcement however, is that it looks like MSP will operate 4 x weekly and share this plane. I guess it's better than nothing. So... any bets on when JFK-HNL will be announced? Maybe when they announce the LGA stuff. We'll see I guess...
Dec 2, 2009, 1:33 pm
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Dec 2, 2009, 2:40 pm
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I'm surprised they're putting that much capacity onto the route. I was hoping for a 767-300ER daily, but this is way better than 757s DTW-SEA/SFO/LAX-HNL.
Dec 2, 2009, 2:41 pm
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Dec 2, 2009, 2:49 pm
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Its nice to see DL is more capacity growth DTW-HNL nonstop on operated A333 aircraft. It will have to be split the weekly frequency from MSP-HNL is only 4 times of weeks and so be in DTW will be only for 3 times of weeks. It will be separate the frequencies. I remember where NW has been discontinuation around 2004 due to schedules change or retiring older DC-10 aircraft. Do you really think NW will have to be reductions the schedules from MSP-HNL in the summer?
Dec 2, 2009, 2:49 pm
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Dec 2, 2009, 3:29 pm
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Of course despite the fact that this flight will be about 3 hours LONGER than JFK/LAX the upfront service will be standard "best in class" domestic junk. What a joke DL. Although I will give them props for returning the DTW/HNL route albeit only a few days a week.
Dec 2, 2009, 3:42 pm
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Good to see that it's coming back. Only if we still get those Hawaii Elite upgrade certs next year when programs are combined...I can only hope!
Are we still getting those Hawaii Elite upgrade certs that NW gives out every year to its Hawaii based elites?
Are we still getting those Hawaii Elite upgrade certs that NW gives out every year to its Hawaii based elites?
Dec 2, 2009, 3:50 pm
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Indeed, though at the expense of the HNL-MSP, so really just that then flying some days will be via MSP, while others via DTW (still beats Atlanta either way).
And still from DTW leaving just a tad too early to make connections from Europe. That is now the biggest problem with DL/NW: unlike CO, with whom convenient reasonable layover (1.5-4 hour) flights to EU are possible via EWR (HNL-EWR-___(EU city) and vice versa back) both ways, with DL on the way back there is no way to do it without spending the night in Atlanta, thus making it for a nearly 24 hour longer travel time with DL vs CO. And on the way to EU also with DL spending a whole day (~6am to ~6pm usually) in ATL, vs. with CO just a few hours reasonable layover in EWR. HNL to EU on DL is two nights and two days. EU to HNL on DL is two days and one night. On CO on the way back is just one day (due to the favourable time difference), with properly spaced connections. But DL seems to not get the concept of connecting passengers within an hour or two and not 24 hour layover and putting the ATL-HNL (and DTW-HNL, MSP-HNL) flights leaving at a time so that same day connections can be made (just some two hours later leaving is all it'd take, like CO does it). Now with any DL routing 23h__m layover in ATL or MSP connections are typical.
99% likely no. When I redeemed my last one PU464 two months ago I asked and was told that "highly unlikely" that Delta would do it. So seems to be the general consensus: extremely unlikely. Honestly, it's likely one of those things that Delta doesn't even realize that NW had. Well, may be when they start losing their top fliers and top revenue customers from Hawaii that they will.. but likely not even that, as if you are not in Atlanta, you seem to not matter to Delta.
And still from DTW leaving just a tad too early to make connections from Europe. That is now the biggest problem with DL/NW: unlike CO, with whom convenient reasonable layover (1.5-4 hour) flights to EU are possible via EWR (HNL-EWR-___(EU city) and vice versa back) both ways, with DL on the way back there is no way to do it without spending the night in Atlanta, thus making it for a nearly 24 hour longer travel time with DL vs CO. And on the way to EU also with DL spending a whole day (~6am to ~6pm usually) in ATL, vs. with CO just a few hours reasonable layover in EWR. HNL to EU on DL is two nights and two days. EU to HNL on DL is two days and one night. On CO on the way back is just one day (due to the favourable time difference), with properly spaced connections. But DL seems to not get the concept of connecting passengers within an hour or two and not 24 hour layover and putting the ATL-HNL (and DTW-HNL, MSP-HNL) flights leaving at a time so that same day connections can be made (just some two hours later leaving is all it'd take, like CO does it). Now with any DL routing 23h__m layover in ATL or MSP connections are typical.
99% likely no. When I redeemed my last one PU464 two months ago I asked and was told that "highly unlikely" that Delta would do it. So seems to be the general consensus: extremely unlikely. Honestly, it's likely one of those things that Delta doesn't even realize that NW had. Well, may be when they start losing their top fliers and top revenue customers from Hawaii that they will.. but likely not even that, as if you are not in Atlanta, you seem to not matter to Delta.
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Dec 2, 2009, 3:51 pm
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The service to Hawaii is welcomed by me, yet I too find the above post appropriately notes classic Delta: DL management using words to mislead others while charting whatever course DL management has already determined to be suitable for itself (even if not for others).
Dec 2, 2009, 3:58 pm
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At the end of the day, it seems that there is no additional capacity here. It will just be split between MSP and DTW, rather than running a daily flight from MSP.
That being said, airline executives tend to be very hypocritical. DL announces an elaborate Summer 2010 international schedule this past weekend, yet preaches capacity restraints.
That being said, airline executives tend to be very hypocritical. DL announces an elaborate Summer 2010 international schedule this past weekend, yet preaches capacity restraints.