USA contactless credit/debit/transit (2014-2016)
Aug 19, 2016, 2:32 am
#4741
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: New England
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Retalix had the four green on-screen "lights" before the update enabling contact EMV.
Aug 19, 2016, 7:31 am
#4742
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Location: San Diego, CA
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I have always thought the "lights" or lights were a requirement for NFC. Even TfL's new Oyster reader now has four lights because they accept regular contactless payment cards.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Aug 19, 2016, 9:33 am
#4743
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,141
I have always thought the "lights" or lights were a requirement for NFC. Even TfL's new Oyster reader now has four lights because they accept regular contactless payment cards.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Aug 19, 2016, 11:26 am
#4744
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: RDU
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Also, contactless at Chick-fil-A is official chain-wide on Thursday: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/...st-19.1988575/
Aug 19, 2016, 1:04 pm
#4745
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,723
So I went to Hardees today for lunch and paid with the grandfathered Android Pay Card and it worked fine and for Entry Method instead of Swiped on a previous receipt it now says Unknown for entry method. https://app.box.com/s/5kznx6nsw3d0c0j2nc497ur5grsooo76 Capital One Wallet results in "CLESS NOT ALLOWED" on the pinpad which means contactless I'd have to guess. The Capital One Wallet doesn't work at all places for some reason including Trader Joe's. I think next time I will try my Visa Debit Card in Android Pay there.
Last edited by scibot; Aug 19, 2016 at 1:26 pm
Aug 20, 2016, 1:38 pm
#4746
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SAN
Posts: 1,171
I got a message through my CVM database site today from someone that recently got a replacement Wells Fargo credit card and it was dual-interface. So it sounds like Wells Fargo may be like American Express and offers contactless by request.
Aug 20, 2016, 1:46 pm
#4747
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Anyone try it at the drive through yet? Do they hand the MX915 out the window like what McDonald's does, or do they use a different model terminal?
I wonder if it ever actually went away at WF. Their card FAQ has always had a section on contactless written as though it was on their cards (at least, according to a quick skim of previous versions using archive.org anyway).
I wonder if it ever actually went away at WF. Their card FAQ has always had a section on contactless written as though it was on their cards (at least, according to a quick skim of previous versions using archive.org anyway).
Aug 20, 2016, 4:17 pm
#4748
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,592
I was at Bowl America (Falls Church location) - they have their POS and a standalone VX520+VX820 combo. Their system is extremely old. Anyway, the VX820 wouldn't recognise my phone, so I tapped the VX520 instead and the VX820 hanged on Please Wait. It authorised after I pressed cancel (???), and was MSD. I was expecting EMV given standalone plus chip working.
Also, Dunkin use MX915s in the drive-thru. They appear stationary, so I wonder how well that's going to go with PIN-preferring cards and Apple Pay.
Also, Dunkin use MX915s in the drive-thru. They appear stationary, so I wonder how well that's going to go with PIN-preferring cards and Apple Pay.
Aug 20, 2016, 11:32 pm
#4749
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SAN
Posts: 1,171
I can't say for sure. I know that pre-EMV, contactless was available only with certain card designs. When I requested the EMV version, it was only available on a single standard design which was a dual-interface card. A coworker signed up for a WF Visa several months later and his card, with the same basic design as mine, is contact EMV only.
Aug 20, 2016, 11:54 pm
#4750
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When you say "recently" I'm wondering if he got one of the last NFC cards just under the wire? The announcement I got was fairly pointed that WF wanted to discontinue them, period.
Aug 21, 2016, 3:43 am
#4751
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,537
I have always thought the "lights" or lights were a requirement for NFC. Even TfL's new Oyster reader now has four lights because they accept regular contactless payment cards.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Though seems to be a huge problem on Verifone Mx915/925 not showing any lights at all after they updated to EMV. All Ingenicos show either fake lights on the screen at the very top or real lights on isc250/iPP320. This seems like a Verifone problem now. My local grocery store used to show "lights" but after they got EMV now just says "Insert/Swipe/Tap" and makes a blurp noise, but no "lights"
Whole Foods, Toys R Us and H&M still show virtual lights thankfully.
Though it looks to be an NCR Retalix problem of not showing any lights. Sprouts only has lights on the Mx860 with external contactless. The ones with Mx915 has no lights whatsoever after EMV was enabled.
Aug 21, 2016, 9:23 am
#4752
Join Date: Oct 2014
Programs: Skymiles
Posts: 3,254
On the top left of the reader where normally a single orange/green light goes, the newer ones actually alternate the lights between four separate lights really close to each other, like very close in a triangle shape. It's so small but you gotta pay attention to see it.
Aug 21, 2016, 1:22 pm
#4753
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,537
On the top left of the reader where normally a single orange/green light goes, the newer ones actually alternate the lights between four separate lights really close to each other, like very close in a triangle shape. It's so small but you gotta pay attention to see it.
Aug 21, 2016, 4:24 pm
#4754
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,723
So my Mcdonalds upgraded one of their ancient MX850's to an MX915 with the new Verifone logo, but its on the least used register. Went to BP last night and they had MX915's with the old Ruby Super system and Visa Debit in Android Pay declined for some reason. The grandfathered MasterCard worked fine and the MX850's on a previous visit worked fine at that same location with the card. The cashier told me that Debit doesn't work at all there, but I did select credit from the screen and what they really need to do is upgrade to Commander already. Another BP owned by the same company with Topaz XL(Commander) and MX850's with emv slots and newer ctls readers worked fine with the same Visa card.
Aug 21, 2016, 5:56 pm
#4755
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,592
For anyone interested, Giant print "CONTACTLESS Purchase" as the entry method, and it's below the card type, where there was previously just a gap. I don't know if that's an IBM/Toshiba thing or just on Giant's end.