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Duke787 Oct 25, 2016 9:16 am


Originally Posted by JEFFJAGUAR (Post 27388179)
my Charles Schwab debit card presumably rebate these fees but I would have to check if the reimbursments are restricted to USA transactions. Just another way banks try to screw their customers.

I've always gotten the Thai bank cartel fee refunded (in addition to any other standard ATM fees) when withdrawing with my Schwab debit card in Thailand.

I wasn't expecting it the first time, but it's always appeared.

Sintaku Oct 25, 2016 9:58 am


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 27391024)
I've always gotten the Thai bank cartel fee refunded (in addition to any other standard ATM fees) when withdrawing with my Schwab debit card in Thailand.

I wasn't expecting it the first time, but it's always appeared.

I'm hoping they do. The ATM in India wouldn't let me withdraw more than $180 at a time in local currency. Had to do it multiple times, and they charged me $2-3 a withdrawal.

Majuki Oct 25, 2016 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by Sintaku (Post 27390991)
Well eventually the person disputed the whole amount and then gave me the whole amount. I am staying at the same hotel again next week, will they not allow me to stay because Citi disputed the whole amount (only $19) since it is a rewards stay?

Do they actually dispute it with the merchant even though they it was instantly ruled in my favor with a permanent credit?

$19 may have been a courtesy credit given the instant resolution. If this is a large chain hotel then I'd say your chances of having issues at check-in are zero.

Sintaku Oct 25, 2016 6:41 pm


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 27392383)
$19 may have been a courtesy credit given the instant resolution. If this is a large chain hotel then I'd say your chances of having issues at check-in are zero.

I am not sure why they didn't give me the difference between the DCC and non-DCC amount.

TravelinSperry Oct 25, 2016 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 27391024)
I've always gotten the Thai bank cartel fee refunded (in addition to any other standard ATM fees) when withdrawing with my Schwab debit card in Thailand.

I wasn't expecting it the first time, but it's always appeared.

When did this occur? I've been using my debit card all month in Japan and no reimbursement yet. Is it end of month only?

Sintaku Oct 25, 2016 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by TravelinSperry (Post 27393249)
When did this occur? I've been using my debit card all month in Japan and no reimbursement yet. Is it end of month only?

Schwab does it on the last day of the month. I was in Japan for nearly two months and never got hit with a withdraw charge in Japan. Although, I was mainly using 7-eleven ATMs.

zyxlsy Oct 25, 2016 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by TravelinSperry (Post 27393249)
When did this occur? I've been using my debit card all month in Japan and no reimbursement yet. Is it end of month only?

It's done on a monthly basis. The refund is roughly calculated, so you may lose a few cents or gain a few. It's because they have to deduce from the total amount how much fee you are charged, using the current exchange rate for the guessing, assuming the fees are always charged in integers.

Majuki Oct 25, 2016 9:55 pm


Originally Posted by Sintaku (Post 27393224)
I am not sure why they didn't give me the difference between the DCC and non-DCC amount.

It's probably easier for them to credit the whole transaction and write it off rather than try to comprehend the situation.


Originally Posted by zyxlsy (Post 27393333)
It's done on a monthly basis. The refund is roughly calculated, so you may lose a few cents or gain a few. It's because they have to deduce from the total amount how much fee you are charged, using the current exchange rate for the guessing, assuming the fees are always charged in integers.

Fidelity's happens shortly after the transaction posts. I've never been to Thailand, but Fidelity has always "backed out" the fee appropriate.

YuropFlyer Oct 26, 2016 11:23 am


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 27387782)
I'd like to know what bank only charges 150-180 THB. The cheapest that myself and friends found was 200 THB (3 different banks). Likely less expensive to go a money exchange on my next trip to Thailand.

Greedy ....

A few years ago, it was 150 THB, that was around the time I've heard first reports from some banks increasing it to 180 THB..

Guess they didn't stopped there.. with that kind of surcharge, exchanging money is the way to go (but given it's Thailand, I guess quite some people are worried about getting robbed bigger sums and still eat up those fees.. we all know how "safe" a hotel safe is)

lamphs Oct 26, 2016 12:58 pm

Another data point. I am now in the UAE and because I had nothing better to do, I went to the mall for dinner and a movie. I handed my card to Shake Shack, advised please charge in AED. But the receipt comes out with two check boxes - one for USD and one for AED, with a very clear explanation that there is a 4.9% markup on the exchange rate if I chose USD. I checked the AED box, signed the receipt, returned it to the cashier. Apparently she was expecting USD, because she had to get management assistance to change to AED. Interesting...there are many different methods of screwing the unknowing consumer!

Majuki Oct 26, 2016 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 27396308)
Another data point. I am now in the UAE and because I had nothing better to do, I went to the mall for dinner and a movie. I handed my card to Shake Shack, advised please charge in AED. But the receipt comes out with two check boxes - one for USD and one for AED, with a very clear explanation that there is a 4.9% markup on the exchange rate if I chose USD. I checked the AED box, signed the receipt, returned it to the cashier. Apparently she was expecting USD, because she had to get management assistance to change to AED. Interesting...there are many different methods of screwing the unknowing consumer!

Is that the "quote slip" like in Thailand and Taiwan, or were the check boxes on the signature slip?

Sintaku Oct 26, 2016 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 27396308)
Another data point. I am now in the UAE and because I had nothing better to do, I went to the mall for dinner and a movie. I handed my card to Shake Shack, advised please charge in AED. But the receipt comes out with two check boxes - one for USD and one for AED, with a very clear explanation that there is a 4.9% markup on the exchange rate if I chose USD. I checked the AED box, signed the receipt, returned it to the cashier. Apparently she was expecting USD, because she had to get management assistance to change to AED. Interesting...there are many different methods of screwing the unknowing consumer!

That's the same slip I got in India, after I asked to pay in rupees. But the hotel didn't update it even after I chose INR, they probably aren't use to it. Interesting thing is the hotels in Malaysia (all of these are Starwood hotels btw) had to do the transaction offline to force Ringgit.

jamar Oct 29, 2016 12:16 am


Originally Posted by Sintaku (Post 27393321)
I was in Japan for nearly two months and never got hit with a withdraw charge in Japan. Although, I was mainly using 7-eleven ATMs.

There is only one ATM operator that charges Visa/MC users- E-Net, usually found in FamilyMart, Costco, and some other places around. They charge 108 yen per withdrawal.

AA_EXP09 Oct 29, 2016 8:41 am


Originally Posted by TravelinSperry (Post 27286649)
I did wonder how they could do that - but I think other companies follow their lead. I've used Uber before when traveling Internationally - and wasn't provided any option to choose currency. Just billed in home currency. Not sure if their conversion rate was good/poor however (it was so cheap I didn't care much).

No, Uber charges me local currency in my experience.
In Dubai was charged AED
In London was charged GBP

NYCFlyer10001 Oct 29, 2016 9:55 am


Originally Posted by jamar (Post 27407492)
There is only one ATM operator that charges Visa/MC users- E-Net, usually found in FamilyMart, Costco, and some other places around. They charge 108 yen per withdrawal.

The fee varies with the time, after 7 or 8 PM it doubles to ¥216.


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