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Old Mar 12, 2020, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by PaulMSN
I'd like to see some proof of this.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/wires/...s-spreads.html
There were reports it was a hotel still under construction.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 7:09 pm
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Disney World also closed. Postponing trip to Florida scheduled for the end of the month. Best for all involved, especially considering our group has someone 60+, and various people with asthma.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by The_Bouncer
No, I am not a conspiracy theorist. The virus exists and is real. I just think that the lockdowns are an overreaction - and yes, what is happening in Italy is by definition house arrest.
Im not sure where you're getting your definition of house arrest but generally speaking it is prison restricted to a dwelling. That's not even close to what is happening in Italy.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by nock
Im not sure where you're getting your definition of house arrest but generally speaking it is prison restricted to a dwelling. That's not even close to what is happening in Italy.
It is pretty close to what happened in China though, especially in Hubei. It must have been tough but it seems to have worked very well.
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by A4K
For the honeymooners headed to Bali - There are over 4 million people on the island of Bali, and I think one has died with a few more testing positive. Right now you are much more likely to end up in an Indonesian hospital because you get hit by a car walking around Seminyak, not because of a virus. Traveling to Indonesia in general poses certain risks so put that in perspective when you assess the risk of going.
Reality is people should be scared because it is a pandemic. Since you seem to think that the risk is tolerable, at what point or after how many mortalities do you think this virus is then worthwhile to be worried about? How do you take into account how the virus has transmitted through countries like South Korea, Italy or Iran? What do you think Europe or the US will be like in 3 weeks?

In Bali, so far only one has died but this article makes for an interesting read and I quote: "The Indonesian Doctors Association on Thursday urged the government to allow more laboratories outside Jakarta to test for COVID-19, and for the country to begin using rapid-testing techniques such as those conducted in Singapore, which can detect the virus within three hours. The British woman died at Bali’s Sanglah Hospital eight days after she was hospitalised with symptoms but before Bali authorities had even been informed by Jakarta health officials that she had tested positive for the disease."
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/wor...dff02bd9df9ed7

Cruelly, this all makes for an interesting social experiment. Can't wait to find out in a couple more weeks from these "brave" travelers how things have worked out
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Old Mar 12, 2020, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by shmuey
We fly CX from NYC and TG/UA for the return segments.
Will be interesting on CX. Most of the recent cases in HK are people flying back. If you do go, please do a trip report so that we can follow and see how things turn out. Good luck!

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Old Mar 13, 2020, 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by Dirty_Idea
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They cannot handle 4-5% of the population needing hospitalisation within the space of 12 weeks. We all WILL get the virus, most likely, but the point is to smooth the demand as much as possible. China built new hospitals to cope when a small (but not insignificant) percentage of the population were infected.

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100,000 people in Wuhan, out of 11 million, got sick. How do we get the 4-5% number? And Wuhan was the worst affected place in the world along with Lombardy
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 12:42 am
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Another question for the people advocating indefinite lockdowns to "keep us safe".

Swine flu killed supposedly 60 Americans in the first 10 days, and proceeded to kill 20,000+.and infecting anything from 20-60 million Americans in a year.

Why were there much less panic back then?
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 12:46 am
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Originally Posted by HKTraveler
Reality is people should be scared because it is a pandemic. Since you seem to think that the risk is tolerable, at what point or after how many mortalities do you think this virus is then worthwhile to be worried about? How do you take into account how the virus has transmitted through countries like South Korea, Italy or Iran? What do you think Europe or the US will be like in 3 weeks?
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How do you account for the low death rate in Korea?

Iran is an anomaly because information is not reliable

Italy got far more affected than Germany, which has 1000+ cases, but a handful of deaths

Why is the UK so relaxed about the whole thing in comparison to some other European countries.

The UK is treating it the way the US treated Swine flue in 2009, as in yes, people will die, avoid large gatherings, but no need to house arrest millions of people.
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 1:03 am
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
It is pretty close to what happened in China though, especially in Hubei. It must have been tough but it seems to have worked very well.
Did rates go down solely because of draconian measures? Or were there other factors in play?

Why did Singapore flat out without having to weld people inside and how did Korea manage without lockdowns?

Not to mention Hong kong
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 1:08 am
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It’s quite the conflation to compare people advocating to stop all nonessential travel to all city/country wide lockdown.

If Italy actually took the thing seriously (like all the other countries that have been mentioned) there wouldn’t be the need for a lockdown.
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 1:09 am
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We (family of 3) will fly from North East Thailand to Belgium April first, planned holiday long time ago with hard obtained Schengen visa. Car rental and Airbnb rented house for 3 weeks.
learned this morning about country shut down until April 3, including restaurants, movie theaters etc.
hope restaurants will open Saturday April 4th....
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 1:20 am
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Originally Posted by LonghornDXB
Did rates go down solely because of draconian measures? Or were there other factors in play?

Why did Singapore flat out without having to weld people inside and how did Korea manage without lockdowns?

Not to mention Hong kong
Please quote your source of this info.
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 2:20 am
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Originally Posted by Mama
Please quote your source of this info.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32177121-post3849.html
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Old Mar 13, 2020, 2:51 am
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Did you read your source of info? It says Singapore has "very strict quarantine rules", did you?
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