First Bag Fees & 2009 OnePass Program Changes
#361
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That suggests the two of you fly a combined 300,000 butt-in-seat miles on CO per year. (25% * 300k = 75k). You can actually earn Platinum status with as few as 50k per person if you are fly on Y/H or first class fares. I would suggest you spread your business around to other carriers, that way when one of them makes an adverse change to their frequent flier program, you won't be so impacted.
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(1) CO's SAT-MFE Y fare used to be competitive with WN's SAT-HRL full fare. I don't believe I've taken the round-trip on CO since CO raised the fare.
(2) I work on the plane, so the time preparing for the hearing or deposition is going to get spent whether I'm on the ground at my office or hotel or in the air.
(3) When I have a morning hearing in Edinburg -- which is often -- flying out of MFE instead of HRL saves time because I can't make WN's morning nonstop. For these morning hearings, I usually take the WN evening nonstop SAT-HRL the night before and the CO MFE-IAH-SAT return the next morning. In fact, I often catch a return CO flight by rushing through MFE with 15 minutes or less to spare before departure time.
I try to be very cost conscious with my clients' travel dollars. I've applied discount codes, when eligible, and taken carriers that I otherwise would not prefer (i.e. US to CLT). I stay at mid-range hotels and use multiple search engines to find the best price. I apply discount codes to my car rentals and almost always rent compact cars. So I resent a suggestion that I am acting in my own interest instead of my clients'. All I was trying to illustrate is how, in many ways, CO has become uncompetitive in the intraTexas market.
(2) I work on the plane, so the time preparing for the hearing or deposition is going to get spent whether I'm on the ground at my office or hotel or in the air.
(3) When I have a morning hearing in Edinburg -- which is often -- flying out of MFE instead of HRL saves time because I can't make WN's morning nonstop. For these morning hearings, I usually take the WN evening nonstop SAT-HRL the night before and the CO MFE-IAH-SAT return the next morning. In fact, I often catch a return CO flight by rushing through MFE with 15 minutes or less to spare before departure time.
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#363
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OT: I am assuming you are working soley at the county court house and not the federal court in McAllen?
#364
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All too often when a person is flying or staying at a Hotel on their Clients Dime, they will do whatever will benefit them w/o looking out if they could have done it cheaper and saved the Client any $$. Be it from flying WN over CO. Or staying at a Marriott instead of a *W Hotel, to renting from Thrifty instead of Hertz. I guess CO is betting that most people will still fly with them if CO is their preferred carrier no matter the cost, since its the Clients Dime
#365
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That suggests the two of you fly a combined 300,000 butt-in-seat miles on CO per year. (25% * 300k = 75k). You can actually earn Platinum status with as few as 50k per person if you are fly on Y/H or first class fares. I would suggest you spread your business around to other carriers, that way when one of them makes an adverse change to their frequent flier program, you won't be so impacted.

Trust me, I can handle the changes; I'm just not happy about it.
#366


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CO's YUP strategy does at times seem to be directed at shifting passengers into higher fares at client and company expense. Although the vast majority of my business flying is for the entity of which I am the owner, I do have a policy that when I am billing a trip to a client, I never buy non-refundable tickets. That policy is clearly stated on our engagement letters. Funny, I have never had a client call and tell me that it is willing to pay for non-refundable ticket and the penalties when I have to cancel or reschedule. I have seen routings for which CO's sole completely refundable fare is the YUP fare.
Even in those instances in which CO is selling a refundable B or H fare on the short haul Texas routes, frequently the difference between the refundable fare and the YUP is not significant.
Bottom line, I don't see that many opportunties for client or boss chiseling on CO on the short hauls out of IAH, unless the client / boss is willing to eat the cost of unused, non-fundable fares or the penalties for changes.
Even in those instances in which CO is selling a refundable B or H fare on the short haul Texas routes, frequently the difference between the refundable fare and the YUP is not significant.
Bottom line, I don't see that many opportunties for client or boss chiseling on CO on the short hauls out of IAH, unless the client / boss is willing to eat the cost of unused, non-fundable fares or the penalties for changes.
#367
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Although the vast majority of my business flying is for the entity of which I am the owner, I do have a policy that when I am billing a trip to a client, I never buy non-refundable tickets. That policy is clearly stated on our engagement letters. Funny, I have never had a client call and tell me that it is willing to pay for non-refundable ticket and the penalties when I have to cancel or reschedule.
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How many more wouldve come in had CO started a newer campaign that included these plus no 1st checked bag fee? I dont know the answer to the 1st, but Im curious to find out, and well never know the answer to the 2nd. The first group has to cost CO money per ticket sold in provision, cleaning, etc. I guess you are arguing that not charging a 1st bag fee is that straw for the camel, but CO never gave the proposition a true test.

I agree. And I would be shocked if CO and the other carriers didn't move toward this method in the near future.
#369




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As annoyed I am by these changes, there are more changes that CO could have implemented but thankfully didn't. (maybe they will in the future!
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-eliminate meals at meal time for the Y cabin (I haven't seen many ads lately boasting this feature)
-eliminate pillows and blankets in Y;
-eliminate free booze and free wireless in the PC;
-increase redeposit fees to $100;
-eliminate mixing and matching of awards (saver Y award going out, EasyPass J coming home, for example). Lots of airlines currently don't allow this;
-eliminate elite bonuses when flying partners;
-reduce BF catering (one less main course choice maybe, downsize the cheese course, drop the grand marnier, for example);
So, although today's actions really left a bad taste in my mouth, I'm trying to keep things in perspective. They did, after all, throw us a few bones recently:
--Flyertalk DO
--PDA feature
--Million Miler program
--upcoming inflight internet access
--elimination of the dreaded BF 24 hour rule.
)-eliminate meals at meal time for the Y cabin (I haven't seen many ads lately boasting this feature)
-eliminate pillows and blankets in Y;
-eliminate free booze and free wireless in the PC;
-increase redeposit fees to $100;
-eliminate mixing and matching of awards (saver Y award going out, EasyPass J coming home, for example). Lots of airlines currently don't allow this;
-eliminate elite bonuses when flying partners;
-reduce BF catering (one less main course choice maybe, downsize the cheese course, drop the grand marnier, for example);
So, although today's actions really left a bad taste in my mouth, I'm trying to keep things in perspective. They did, after all, throw us a few bones recently:
--Flyertalk DO
--PDA feature
--Million Miler program
--upcoming inflight internet access
--elimination of the dreaded BF 24 hour rule.
Im sure Larry thanks you for the future "cut" ideas
#370
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Ok so let me get this straight? We'll get the same bonuses at a Gold member and will now have to use more miles to fly to Hawaii? Seroiusly...i'm failing to see the increased costs anymore as Oil is going down and CO has reduced the flying just about everywhere? Is this more about aligning with UA?
No matter the fact, both of us are considering going to Delta this year...we don't like Star and we're not liking the "scr*w the customer" attitude at CO. Although I thank CO for their generousity over the years, my experiences lately have been basically a smidge better than US Airways.
No matter the fact, both of us are considering going to Delta this year...we don't like Star and we're not liking the "scr*w the customer" attitude at CO. Although I thank CO for their generousity over the years, my experiences lately have been basically a smidge better than US Airways.
#371
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The only awards relating to Hawaii that are changing are between Tel Aviv and Hawaii. That probably only matters to you if you live in one of those two places. Your profile doesn't hint at where you are.
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#373

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#374
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Silver Lining to New CO changes
First, the 1-3-5 day upgrade windows are still in effect giving some benefit to Platinum. Second, with miles harder to get, if you can still manage to make your tier annually you can at least be assured that there will be fewer people at your level or above than previously thus giving you a better shot to get a complimentary automatic upgrade, presuming of course that CO doesn't get rid of those also.
Still, even though the new first and second bag rules don't apply to me due to my tier level, the fact that all these non-elites are now going to be carrying on everything they can get away with (we all know that one carry on bag and one personal item usually means two carry on bags and another shopping bag full of souvenirs). This will put a severe premium on overhead space if you don't arrive to your plane soon enough to board first with your fellow elites.
SM
Still, even though the new first and second bag rules don't apply to me due to my tier level, the fact that all these non-elites are now going to be carrying on everything they can get away with (we all know that one carry on bag and one personal item usually means two carry on bags and another shopping bag full of souvenirs). This will put a severe premium on overhead space if you don't arrive to your plane soon enough to board first with your fellow elites.
SM
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At certain airports, AA does have people screening the line; they'll send people back to the gate to check bags if they're too large. Elites and FC passengers aren't supposed to receive the same scrutiny.

