CO introduces new BusinessFirst seat
Jul 24, 2008, 5:05 pm
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The one thing I worry about -- a Y/PE/J aircraft today pretty closely resembles the Y/J/F aircraft of 10 years ago, except today's J seat is probably even more comfortable than yesterday's F seat. I just hope companies (well, my company) don't catch on and start making us fly PE instead of J! -- i.e., PE is the new J.
Actually, my (financial services) company is already "encouraging" us to fly VS PE westbound from LHR (i.e., day flights) to save money in this environment. Maybe if they split the fare difference with us, but that might encourage unnecessary trips just so employees can collect $1-2k cash for flying PE back from LHR...
Actually, my (financial services) company is already "encouraging" us to fly VS PE westbound from LHR (i.e., day flights) to save money in this environment. Maybe if they split the fare difference with us, but that might encourage unnecessary trips just so employees can collect $1-2k cash for flying PE back from LHR...
). IMHO, that's why some carriers are reluctant to develop a great PE product! Make coach miserable so that the only option left is business class.
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Jul 24, 2008, 5:55 pm
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Isn't Delta a domestic carrier?
Jul 24, 2008, 6:55 pm
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Just located some business seat comparisons we may also have the opportunity to experience in the future. I think Delta may be installing a similar seat. Some new business seats can be real hard. When they say flat, they mean flat like a flat-tire. ANA’s seats (which don’t go 180 degrees flat) are hard and difficult for me to get comfortable in. I took a blanket and folded it to put on the seat cushion to get a little more cushion. After about 30 minutes others in the row did the same.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...utivefirst.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...tivefirst2.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...y_flat_bed.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me..._flat_seat.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...utivefirst.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...utivefirst.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...tivefirst2.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...y_flat_bed.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me..._flat_seat.jpg
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/me...utivefirst.jpg
Jul 24, 2008, 7:37 pm
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This may have already been mentioned, but these seats look very much like the Thompson Business Solutions Vantage seats except with different body paint and a wider/larger screen. Are they?
See photos here:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_business.html#
And full details here:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/t...s_gallery.html
See photos here:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_business.html#
And full details here:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/t...s_gallery.html
With CO looking at a capacity increase in Y on the 787, and now a probable use of Thompson products, perhaps the assumption isn't quite correct about a standard Y seat with 3-4-3 seating but instead this product:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_economy_cap.html
However, the site indicated it only fits 3-3-3 across with 18.5" in a 787, but that may change or be able to be customized.
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_economy_cap.html
However, the site indicated it only fits 3-3-3 across with 18.5" in a 787, but that may change or be able to be customized.
Jul 24, 2008, 7:39 pm
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Jul 24, 2008, 7:46 pm
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Jul 24, 2008, 8:03 pm
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That may be, but as posted earlier, someone stated that DL has exclusive to the COSY SUITE, which is a distinct product from the other unnamed Y product. I doubt DL would have exclusive rights to both Thompson Y products.
Jul 24, 2008, 8:07 pm
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My understanding is that DL has exclusive rights for the staggered Thompson product. Then again, I haven't seen the contract.
Jul 24, 2008, 8:10 pm
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Here's the 773 diagram from James Thompson Solutions:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Its Benz Suite business class seats alternate between 1-2-2 and 2-2-1. That single seat is perfect for single flyer.
In the front section, which is identical in 772 and 773, they can put 7 rows for 35 seats.
Currently, CO put 30 or 32 seats in that section. So, in fact, they can increase BF capacity while providing a true flat bed, plus a SINGLE seat per row for the solo flyer.
Absolutely genius.
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Its Benz Suite business class seats alternate between 1-2-2 and 2-2-1. That single seat is perfect for single flyer.
In the front section, which is identical in 772 and 773, they can put 7 rows for 35 seats.
Currently, CO put 30 or 32 seats in that section. So, in fact, they can increase BF capacity while providing a true flat bed, plus a SINGLE seat per row for the solo flyer.
Absolutely genius.
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Jul 24, 2008, 9:02 pm
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RKKWAN,
Thanks for the link! Absolutely brilliant! That solves Larry's "real-estate" issue. (See my first reply.)
Those anti-social seats are wonderful.
- Pat
Thanks for the link! Absolutely brilliant! That solves Larry's "real-estate" issue.
(See my first reply.)Those anti-social seats are wonderful.
- Pat
Jul 24, 2008, 10:30 pm
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Here's the 773 diagram from James Thompson Solutions:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Airborne disease transmission would probably be increased in coach with so many more people actually being so much closer together. There is an increased seat pitch, so I wonder if that would offset the effects of deep vein thrombosis (DVT), even though the coach crowd is being crammed in so badly.
Jul 24, 2008, 10:36 pm
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http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Its Benz Suite business class seats alternate between 1-2-2 and 2-2-1. That single seat is perfect for single flyer.
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So they are the Thompson Vantage (aka Benz) seats that are going into the new BF. Or does DL hold exclusivity to those as well? If so, it doesn't seem to be holding up....
Jul 24, 2008, 10:46 pm
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Here's the 773 diagram from James Thompson Solutions:
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Its Benz Suite business class seats alternate between 1-2-2 and 2-2-1. That single seat is perfect for single flyer.
In the front section, which is identical in 772 and 773, they can put 7 rows for 35 seats.
Currently, CO put 30 or 32 seats in that section. So, in fact, they can increase BF capacity while providing a true flat bed, plus a SINGLE seat per row for the solo flyer.
Absolutely genius.
http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/sketch16.html
Its Benz Suite business class seats alternate between 1-2-2 and 2-2-1. That single seat is perfect for single flyer.
In the front section, which is identical in 772 and 773, they can put 7 rows for 35 seats.
Currently, CO put 30 or 32 seats in that section. So, in fact, they can increase BF capacity while providing a true flat bed, plus a SINGLE seat per row for the solo flyer.
Absolutely genius.
Jul 24, 2008, 11:04 pm
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