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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 11:11 am
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I wonder: If CO had enough wide-bodies to spare for lower yield domestic routes, would they actually put them there? One reason they might not is because in some cases, the crew compliment is more for nearly the same amount of seats.
762=7 FA's
752=5
753=5
739=5
738=4

Not a make or break cost item but but it seems every penny is watched these days.

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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter
I agree that this would be a great idea, but don't see it happening until enough 787s come online to replace existing longhaul capacity (and also allow for further expansion).

However, I just don't see CO shelling out for outdated technology. I would be willing to bet that CO has run a cost/benefit analysis on getting some interim widebody lift...and determined that the economics were not right.
Oh, I am sure they've done the economic analysis as well and that they are much better informed than me. I just scratch my head every time I see a transcon on a 739 or 738. I'm sorry but 31" of pitch just isn't enough to make that flight anywhere near enjoyable.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
Oh, I am sure they've done the economic analysis as well and that they are much better informed than me. I just scratch my head every time I see a transcon on a 739 or 738. I'm sorry but 31" of pitch just isn't enough to make that flight anywhere near enjoyable.
I am not at all surprised to see CO fly 738's fly transcon. It's all part of Larry Kellner's approach of providing just a little less capacity than the market can bear in order to insure high LF's and therefore profitability.

Not a bad business model until you start looking at FC flying 100% full on a virtually constant basis on these transcons and then you have to ask yourself how much demand they're leaving unmet because of this approach.

There is absolutely no reason why CO couldn't launch a premium F transcon product out of EWR and turn it into a major profit center.

After all, EWR is already the launching pad of most of CO's premium BF product. One would imagine the demand is there as well for premium transcon F, a product that would have no competition out of EWR.

Regarding 31" seat pitch, if CO is flying 31" seat pitch EWR-HKG, then you can be pretty sure they won't increase it for a quick hop to the West Coast...
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
That is beyond absurd.
Why? At least one other airline does it.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
So they should do that then, put the widebodies on the longhaul routes to Europe and pull the 757s off of them (EWR-TXL, CPH, etc.) and use them for a premium type transcon service. They already have the BF cabins, it'd be a perfect match.
That would be great, but the real question is whether the transcon routes on which CO would put the 752's make more money than the European routes that they replaced. The answer probably is no.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter
One more suggestion...find a faster way of posting Miles and Segments from CO flights. It's 2007 - it should not take 3+ days for an IAH-MSY segment/mileage credit flown on CO to post to my account.
CO flights actually take longer to post now than they did a year (or so) ago.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by rjque
Why? At least one other airline does it.
Unlimited free changes to restricted revenue tickets? Beyond stupid.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by CO 1E
CO flights actually take longer to post now than they did a year (or so) ago.
Indeed. I seem to recall it taking about 48 hours for miles/segments to post. Now it takes about 72.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
Unlimited free changes to restricted revenue tickets? Beyond stupid.
From an airline's perspective, what would be the incentive to allow unlimited free changes to restricted tickets? That would be a guaranteed loss-generator and undermines the whole legacy carrier pricing model.

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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
Unlimited free changes to restricted revenue tickets? Beyond stupid.
Alaska waives all change fees for its highest level elites. Southwest does it for everyone. On both airlines, the passenger still must pay any applicable difference in fare. This provides an incentive to upfare when it would be beneficial but is not absolutely necessary. As pointed out by CO 1E, it reduces certain fee revenue. Not sure those airlines' business decisions are appropriate here, but I wouldn't call them "beyond stupid."
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 1:05 pm
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter
Whoever told you that was misinformed:



For confirmation of this, one need only look to the CO Website.
Not President's clubs, per CO staff. They treat those as exempt. If this is not true, I'd be happy to hear it.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by rbrenton88
Not President's clubs, per CO staff. They treat those as exempt. If this is not true, I'd be happy to hear it.
You're misinformed. SkyTeam Elite Plus (like CO Plat) get lounge access (like President's Clubs) when traveling internationally, regardless of cabin.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by CO 1E
From an airline's perspective, what would be the incentive to allow unlimited free changes to restricted tickets? That would be a guaranteed loss-generator and undermines the whole legacy carrier pricing model.
Right. Hence the absurdity of suggesting it.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 1:16 pm
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Not President's clubs, per CO staff. They treat those as exempt. If this is not true, I'd be happy to hear it.
Whichever CO P Club staff told you that were wrong.
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