KVS Availability Tool - CO
Feb 17, 2006 | 3:34 pm
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Vulcan,
Not only do they show it, the info is "dead-on" accurate. Knowledge is power and this tool has helped in my decision making and thus saved me from coach.
I don't not know how KVS get's the R bucket since I use Amadeus Professional GDS in my office on which R is hidden but KVS does show it in the *AUA version.
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Not only do they show it, the info is "dead-on" accurate. Knowledge is power and this tool has helped in my decision making and thus saved me from coach.
I don't not know how KVS get's the R bucket since I use Amadeus Professional GDS in my office on which R is hidden but KVS does show it in the *AUA version.
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Does Amadeus really show "R". I thought it was hidden and internal to CO only?
Feb 17, 2006 | 10:04 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
cobrax333 is correct -- you can't limit the results to a specific airline with the Amadeus method.
I find it very very strange that this city pair yields nothing but UA/US with a single DL and FL thrown in. Why a single DL, what with their hourly PHl-ATL service and probably the same on to JAX?
On the surface, something doesn't look rigtht and I suspect a bias. Perhaps there are other constricting criteria, maybe something silly like max 60 min. layover or something like that, I don't know. But on the surface, it does not look like a fair representation of flights.
Feb 17, 2006 | 10:59 pm
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Here's the pecking order on intl BF buckets:
E: General standard mileage awards
F: Platinum standard mileage awards
P: Easy pass Mileage awards
R: All mileage cash-in awards on revenue tix.
Of course, there is no Intl EUA.
E: General standard mileage awards
F: Platinum standard mileage awards
P: Easy pass Mileage awards
R: All mileage cash-in awards on revenue tix.
Of course, there is no Intl EUA.
Originally Posted by xyzzy
It can happen, it just isn't used for EUA. I have no idea what it is used for on such itineraries.
Feb 18, 2006 | 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by carboy
On the surface, something doesn't look rigtht and I suspect a bias. Perhaps there are other constricting criteria, maybe something silly like max 60 min. layover or something like that, I don't know. But on the surface, it does not look like a fair representation of flights.
(a) US is the only carrier that has non-stop flights on this route, so its flights are listed first (taking 7 out of the 20 spots);
(b) There is no way to limit results to a specific carrier in Amadeus, so only 20 out of possible, say, 1000 combinations are shown.
[KVS Availability Tool - Amadeus: AUA]
Code:
PHL Philadelphia Metro / Philadelphia Int'l PA US = PHL TTN [KPHL] JAX Jacksonville Int'l FL US [KJAX] WED 01 Mar 2006 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------------------- US 1099 PHL 07:35 JAX 10:04 733 0 F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 UA/US 2374 PHL 07:35 JAX 10:04 733 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 US 783 PHL 11:50 JAX 14:12 320 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H7 Q4 V2 L1 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 UA/US 2196 PHL 11:50 JAX 14:12 320 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 US 983 PHL 16:20 JAX 18:35 320 0 F7 P6 A4 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 UA/US 2289 PHL 16:20 JAX 18:35 320 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 US 836 PHL 18:00 JAX 20:28 733 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 UA/US 2216 PHL 18:00 JAX 20:28 733 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 UA/US 2074 PHL 15:20 CLT 17:00 320 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 -> UA/US 2492 CLT 17:30 JAX 18:48 734 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 US 171 PHL 15:20 CLT 17:00 320 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W4 S3 T0 K0 N0 -> US 1261 CLT 17:30 JAX 18:48 734 0 F9 P8 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W4 S3 T0 K0 N0 US 890 PHL 05:30 CLT 07:04 734 0 F7 P6 A5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 -> US 1242 CLT 08:05 JAX 09:24 319 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 UA/US 2246 PHL 05:30 CLT 07:04 734 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 -> UA/US 2427 CLT 08:05 JAX 09:24 319 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 US 11 PHL 17:35 DCA 18:39 734 0 F5 P4 A3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W5 S3 T0 K0 N0 -> US 533 DCA 19:30 JAX 21:33 319 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W5 S3 T0 K0 N0 UA 7126 PHL 19:36 IAD 20:49 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0 -> UA 7311 IAD 21:30 JAX 23:34 CR7 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 A4 S4 T0 K4 L0 G0 US 7463 PHL 19:36 IAD 20:49 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 -> US 7522 IAD 21:30 JAX 23:34 CR7 0 F4 A4 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 US 7464 PHL 10:24 IAD 11:30 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 L4 W4 S0 T0 K0 N0 -> US 7519 IAD 12:21 JAX 14:26 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 M0 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 UA 7144 PHL 10:24 IAD 11:30 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L0 G0 -> UA 7304 IAD 12:21 JAX 14:26 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q0 V0 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0 UA/US 2347 PHL 16:45 CLT 18:27 734 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 A4 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 -> UA/US 2171 CLT 19:30 JAX 20:49 734 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W4 A4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 US 71 PHL 16:45 CLT 18:27 734 0 F5 P4 A3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V8 L6 W1 S0 T0 K0 N0 -> US 281 CLT 19:30 JAX 20:49 734 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V8 L6 W1 S0 T0 K0 N0 DL 465 PHL 10:40 ATL 13:02 757 0 F9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 -> DL 403 ATL 13:39 JAX 14:45 757 0 F9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 FL 229 PHL 06:10 ATL 08:20 717 0 A4 J4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q9 E4 L0 T4 R0 H4 V4 -> FL 935 ATL 09:10 JAX 10:16 717 0 A4 J4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q9 E4 L0 T4 R0 H4 V4 US 3223 PHL 11:45 DCA 12:57 ERJ 0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0 -> US 93 DCA 13:50 JAX 15:53 319 0 F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0 UA 7195 PHL 14:35 IAD 15:40 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W0 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0 -> UA 7883 IAD 16:36 JAX 18:45 CR7 0 F4 P4 Y4 B4 E4 M4 U4 H4 Q4 V0 W0 A4 S0 T0 K4 L0 G0 US 7465 PHL 14:35 IAD 15:40 CRJ 0 Y4 B4 M4 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 -> US 7521 IAD 16:36 JAX 18:45 CR7 0 F4 A4 Y4 B4 M4 H0 Q0 V0 L0 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0
Code:
PHL Philadelphia Metro / Philadelphia Int'l PA US = PHL TTN [KPHL] JAX Jacksonville Int'l FL US [KJAX] WED 01 Mar 2006 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------------------- US 1099 PHL 07:35 JAX 10:04 733 0 F9 P9 A8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 UA/US 2374 PHL 07:35 JAX 10:04 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 US 783 PHL 11:50 JAX 14:12 320 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H7 Q4 V2 L1 W0 S0 T0 K0 N0 UA/US 2196 PHL 11:50 JAX 14:12 320 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W0 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 P4 A4 UA/US 2289 PHL 16:20 JAX 18:35 320 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 UA/US 2216 PHL 18:00 JAX 20:28 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 US 836 PHL 18:00 JAX 20:28 733 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T9 K0 N0 FL 229 PHL 06:10 ATL 08:20 717 0 A4 J4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q4 E4 L4 T4 R0 V4 D4 H4 -> FL 935 ATL 09:10 JAX 10:16 717 0 A4 J4 Y4 B4 M4 K4 Q4 E4 L4 T4 R0 V4 D4 H4 DL 265 PHL 06:30 ATL 08:45 M80 0 F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 -> DL 960 ATL 09:59 JAX 11:08 M80 0 F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L0 U0 T0 DL 265 PHL 06:30 ATL 08:45 M80 0 F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 -> DL 960 ATL 09:59 JAX 11:08 M80 0 F7 A0 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L0 U0 T0 CO/Pinnacl8055 PHL 07:00 MEM 08:45 CRJ 0 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V2 Q0 S0 T0 L0 -> CO/Pin5984 MEM 09:30 JAX 12:15 CRJ 0 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V2 Q0 S0 T0 L0 DL 641 PHL 07:30 ATL 09:56 757 0 F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 -> DL 942 ATL 12:05 JAX 13:08 M80 0 F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 US 1075 PHL 08:05 CLT 09:53 767 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W7 S5 T0 K0 N0 -> US 1145 CLT 11:30 JAX 12:51 319 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W7 S5 T0 K0 N0 US 1075 PHL 08:05 CLT 09:53 767 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T7 K0 N0 -> US 1115 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T7 K0 N0 UA/US 2334 PHL 08:05 CLT 09:53 767 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 -> UA/US 2353 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 DL 1144 PHL 08:40 ATL 11:02 757 0 F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 -> DL 942 ATL 12:05 JAX 13:08 M80 0 F7 A7 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 K7 L7 U7 T7 US 731 PHL 10:00 CLT 11:52 319 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0 -> US 1115 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F9 P9 A9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 L9 W9 S9 T5 K0 N0 UA/US 2628 PHL 10:00 CLT 11:52 319 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 -> UA/US 2353 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 UA/US 2628 PHL 10:00 CLT 11:52 319 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 -> UA/US 2353 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 UA/US 2628 PHL 10:00 CLT 11:52 319 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4 -> UA/US 2353 CLT 13:00 JAX 14:17 733 0 F4 Y4 B4 M4 E4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 K4 L4 G0 P4 A4
Sep 23, 2006 | 12:31 pm
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The first post has been updated to reflect the new CO booking classes, and new NWAWP method that provides access to the CO award/upgrade classes.
See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988
See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988
Sep 24, 2006 | 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
The first post has been updated to reflect the new CO booking classes, and new NWAWP method that provides access to the CO award/upgrade classes.
See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988
See also: http://www.FlyerTalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603988
Wow. Thank you sooo much. You continually to amaze me in bringing this valuable information to us. The ability to now see CO "F" is invaluable to me in planning trips. For instance, on a trip I have this Wednesday where I have not cleared the upgrade list, I can see that F=2.
Sep 25, 2006 | 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Wow. Thank you sooo much. You continually to amaze me in bringing this valuable information to us. The ability to now see CO "F" is invaluable to me in planning trips. For instance, on a trip I have this Wednesday where I have not cleared the upgrade list, I can see that F=2.
I knew something had to be done when I started receiving PMs from CO users suffering from the R-Class Withdrawal Syndrome
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Sep 27, 2006 | 9:23 pm
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I just started to try to use the KVS tool and wondered if the tool is broken or the CO WWW site broken (I know I bet its the CO Site).
I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.
Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.
I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.
Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.
Sep 27, 2006 | 9:27 pm
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Of course, there is no Intl EUA.[/QUOTE]
They dont advertise them but if its a full flight they do do them...3 times this summer I have been EUA at the gate for Intl flights, all because they were overbooked....once to Beijing....how sweet that was.
Thanks CO!
They dont advertise them but if its a full flight they do do them...3 times this summer I have been EUA at the gate for Intl flights, all because they were overbooked....once to Beijing....how sweet that was.
Thanks CO!
Sep 27, 2006 | 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by CLEHillbilly
I just started to try to use the KVS tool and wondered if the tool is broken or the CO WWW site broken (I know I bet its the CO Site).
I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.
Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.
I am trying to book a CLE-NRT flight for 10/21/06 returning on 10/27/06.
Just looking at the departure the CO site shows a connection through EWR but the KVS tool (checked multiple methods) never shows this as an option, it routes me on an ERJ through ORD. CO and Expedia also show many seats available on the EWR route....Did I do something wrong using the KVS tool or should I tend to beleive the CO WWW site problems are to blame.
BTW, what did you mean by "multiple methods" (there is only 1 Method in the Lite version)
.[KVS Availability Tool 2.4.0/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT]
Code:
CLE Cleveland Hopkins Int'l OH US [KCLE] NRT Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA] SAT 21 Oct 2006 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------------------------------- CO 724 CLE 06:40 EWR 08:09 73G 0 A4 D4 Z4 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9 -> CO 9 EWR 11:10 NRT 13:50 +1 777 0 J9 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0
Code:
NRT Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA] CLE Cleveland Hopkins Int'l OH US [KCLE] FRI 27 Oct 2006 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------------------------------- CO 8 NRT 16:20 EWR 16:05 777 0 J0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0 -> CO 825 EWR 18:05 CLE 20:03 738 0 A4 D4 Z4 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9 CO 8 NRT 16:20 EWR 16:05 777 0 J0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T0 X0 L0 -> CO 425 EWR 20:25 CLE 22:04 735 0 A0 D0 Z0 R4 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 O9 V9 U9 Q9 I9 S9 W9 T9 X9 L9
Oct 13, 2006 | 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by MBM3
Is there any way to pull up a CO PNR?
thanks for all the info!
Oct 13, 2006 | 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by MBM3
Is there any way to pull up a CO PNR?
Originally Posted by fool4miles
good question...has this been answered recently?
thanks for all the info!
thanks for all the info!
Oct 13, 2006 | 12:45 pm
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Certainly there are International EUAs
Originally Posted by CLEHillbilly
They dont advertise them but if its a full flight they do do them...3 times this summer I have been EUA at the gate for Intl flights, all because they were overbooked....once to Beijing....how sweet that was.
Oct 15, 2006 | 12:53 am
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which fare bucket is used for sky team/flying blue
if i'm using flying blue mileage to book on CO which fis the relevant fare bucket for both econ and biz. is it G and R, or something else.
Oct 15, 2006 | 6:02 am
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Is there a way to only look up F inventory without getting the "No Availability" for standard award buckets?