|
Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 35110368)
How about they just scrap the order all together and give us consumers a break. This policy only hurts consumers, it’s well past the sell by date.
It doesn’t just harm people trying to go to China either. Fares to everywhere in Asia from the USA are astronomical because Chinese airlines aren’t able to fly routes and keep all the other airlines honest with their pricing. I’m sure UA has their lobbyists working overtime to ensure these rules stay in place. -The DOT''s mission is to serve consumers, not AA -I will reference sample airfares in my message -I happen to like MU now, and I would certainly fly them to LAX or JFK, but they are charging $47k rt to the latter (in biz) |
Implore the DOT to permit more flights by Chinese airlines to the US. I am in Shanghai now, and returning to Florida would cost $4500 (economy).
United is ready to add flights. but is fine with SFO-PVG. DL has already allocated its wide-body fleet summer 2023. Meanwhile, AA has no chance. I want to reinstate the prior bilateral because doing so will bring down airfares. |
I'm with you guys on this one. DOT needs to lift restrictions and allow competition, because the asking prices from an outfit like UA is *NOT* a free market. I rarely write to my Rep, but may do so here, since the Waldorf's long bar is calling my name from The Bund.
Let's get'em all back in here flooding it like the LAX days of old. |
duplicate
|
|
Looking at AA it looks like AA127/AA128 (DFW-PVG) doubled from 2 flights per week to 4 flights per week
|
Originally Posted by mdkowals
(Post 35119118)
Looking at AA it looks like AA127/AA128 (DFW-PVG) doubled from 2 flights per week to 4 flights per week
|
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 35119132)
AA, DL, and UA are all permitted to run 4 flights per week.
I presume this is because, while US airlines now have a combined 12 weekly flights to/from China, the US DOT has not approved additional flights from Chinese carriers, who are still stuck at a combined 8 weekly flights. So CAAC is bring the US carriers back down to 8x weekly as well. |
Originally Posted by boat stuck
(Post 35181050)
AA will be back down to 2x weekly starting in May. Same for DL -- the last DTW-PVG is tomorrow.
I presume this is because, while US airlines now have a combined 12 weekly flights to/from China, the US DOT has not approved additional flights from Chinese carriers, who are still stuck at a combined 8 weekly flights. So CAAC is bring the US carriers back down to 8x weekly as well. |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35181544)
What the heck!!! :mad:
|
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35181544)
What the heck!!! :mad:
|
Why did the US DOT refuse to reciprocate the very modest increase to 12x weekly flights per side? Was it the Russia overflight dispute?
|
Originally Posted by boat stuck
(Post 35183120)
Why did the US DOT refuse to reciprocate the very modest increase to 12x weekly flights per side? Was it the Russia overflight dispute?
I've heard (from sources that only have secondary knowledge) that the Russia overflight issue is much less important than the framework itself. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 35183149)
CAAC imposed 8 (result of five ones) upon itself during COVID-19. They presumably don't want 12; they want a framework similar to what was in place before 2020 (which, had been slowly inching towards open skies for the preceding 20 years).
I've heard (from sources that only have secondary knowledge) that the Russia overflight issue is much less important than the framework itself. |
Originally Posted by boat stuck
(Post 35184407)
What kind of framework was the US DOT asking for?
ETA: The pre-covid agreement was a little more complex than straight up caps because it included a mechanism to add lower demand routes (e.g. SFO-CTU) with less red tape. |
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 7:13 pm. |
This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.