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Now there are too few flights and the prices are ridiculously expensive.....
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Originally Posted by ChillDude
(Post 35098884)
Now there are too few flights and the prices are ridiculously expensive.....
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Originally Posted by uanj
(Post 35096385)
The spirit and letter of the various agreements between the US and China is that each country will operate the same number of flights per week. The big 3 US airlines don't have any widebody aircraft sitting around waiting for these routes to resume. The big 3 Chinese airlines do, but for each 10 weekly flights China adds (just an example) the US airlines will have to add 10 or DOT does not approve the Chinese flights. If China had unsuspended visas for US and Canadian passports two months ago we would probably be in a much better position in terms of total flights being operated. But they did not and the US airlines are less interested having allocated their aircraft elsewhere. In a nutshell.
Keep in mind until the visas were unsuspended a very large majority of travelers were Chinese passport holders who could travel freely into China. And they generally prefer their own airlines just like we see in any other country, Not attractive to DL with no spare widebodies and very unattractive to AA with no real base in and no partners in their alliance. Since then the new wrinkle is A4A asking that all flights into the US avoid Russian airspace, not just Western airlines. I think this is logical but difficult to implement because air services agreement don't address this type of situation or its possibility. It is currently a mess, you need a lot of parties to agree in a coordinated fashion. Worse than herding kittens into a basket. So we would be in even worse situation if China retaliates. I am ready to give up on UA SFO-PVG and fly to ICN/NRT/HKG/TPE or even SIN. UA's 857/858 fares are just ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by kb1992
(Post 35101899)
I am ready to give up on UA SFO-PVG and fly to ICN/NRT/HKG/TPE or even SIN. UA's 857/858 fares are just ridiculous.
I booked two separate tickets to PVG via TPE using miles. The reverse direction (China-TPE-USA) does not work for Chinese-passport holders, however. |
Originally Posted by Kmxu
(Post 35102711)
If you give up flying on UA, there are lot of choices available for you. EVA's flight schedule will work for you, e.g., BOS-YYZ-TPE-PEK. Their PE fare is reasonable if you book in advance (> one month).
I booked two separate tickets to PVG via TPE using miles. The reverse direction (China-TPE-USA) does not work for Chinese-passport holders, however. They were semi-pushing SFO (instead of JFK or YYZ) on me (CI does the same but with SEA or LAX), and I went with the flow. If I had swapped in JFK or YYZ post-booking, I would have spent less time on airplanes and departed from BOS 2 hours later, but still would have arrived in Shanghai at noon on BR 712. Potentially relevant details (if you want to fly EVA from BOS to PVG) -you can choose between AS, B6, and UA for BOS-SFO; I picked B6 -reaching BR by phone is close to impossible https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eva-...t-eva-air.html -you're kind of on your own at SFO if you fly BOS-SFO on AS or B6 (UA would have been an airside transfer) *in hindsight, this drill was easy, but does entail a visit to aisle 5 in the SFO departures lobby -my seats (bulkhead outside aisle on SFO-TPE and window on TPE-PVG) were nice -I rate the food OK+; I didn't even think about digging into the snack items I had prepared -spending 4 hours at TPE between 5a and 920a is sub-optimal (you will get this experience from JFK or YYZ too), but I was actually able to shower and rest in massage chair |
Do we know if more direct flight from SFO to mainland China will be available in the second half of 2023?
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Originally Posted by wshen35
(Post 35103644)
Do we know if more direct flight from SFO to mainland China will be available in the second half of 2023?
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Originally Posted by wshen35
(Post 35103644)
Do we know if more direct flight from SFO to mainland China will be available in the second half of 2023?
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Originally Posted by wshen35
(Post 35103644)
Do we know if more direct flight from SFO to mainland China will be available in the second half of 2023?
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Originally Posted by kb1992
(Post 35101899)
I am ready to give up on UA SFO-PVG and fly to ICN/NRT/HKG/TPE or even SIN. UA's 857/858 fares are just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 35104670)
Yep, I have my next flight booked on 857/858 and am about to change it.
Back in January when I used TWOV to celebrate Spring Festival in China, I cleared SFO-ICN upgrades in both directions. :) |
Originally Posted by Kmxu
(Post 35105890)
SFO-ICN is easier for upgrade than SFO-TPE, especially, when UA adds another frequency. There are IN spaces available for some days.
There's currently just no good solution for this; it's always at least two of these: 1) EXPENSIVE 2) TERRIBLE & RISKY CONNECTIONS 3) MULTIPLE LEGS 4) CHANGE OF AIRPORTS (GMP/ICN, or HND/NRT, etc...) 5) MINIMAL CHANCE OF UPGRADE
Originally Posted by Kmxu
(Post 35105890)
Back in January when I used TWOV to celebrate Spring Festival in China, I cleared SFO-ICN upgrades in both directions. :)
Although almost meaningless now: I cleared everything from 2020 to February 2023, including domestic ERW-SFO-EWR legs. January/February this year was a LOT different than now! |
From January to March 2023, Chinese airlines applied to the US Department of Transportation to increase direct flights to the US, starting with a large-scale increase and ending with an additional weekly flight. However, the US Department of Transportation has not yet approved the applications. Before the Russia-Ukraine war, the US had still insisted on a total of "8 flights" from Chinese airlines, as stated in the order on June 1, 2020, even though US airlines had already exceeded Chinese airlines in the number of flights between China and the US and enjoyed preferential treatment. This is the biggest obstacle to increasing flights at present. The US Department of Transportation can only allow Chinese airlines to increase flights when the order is modified. Now that the US has fully implemented 12 flights per week, maybe it's time for the US Department of Transportation consider modifying the order of June 1, 2020, to allow Chinese airlines to operate 12 flights per week
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Originally Posted by ChillDude
(Post 35109432)
From January to March 2023, Chinese airlines applied to the US Department of Transportation to increase direct flights to the US, starting with a large-scale increase and ending with an additional weekly flight. However, the US Department of Transportation has not yet approved the applications. Before the Russia-Ukraine war, the US had still insisted on a total of "8 flights" from Chinese airlines, as stated in the order on June 1, 2020, even though US airlines had already exceeded Chinese airlines in the number of flights between China and the US and enjoyed preferential treatment. This is the biggest obstacle to increasing flights at present. The US Department of Transportation can only allow Chinese airlines to increase flights when the order is modified. Now that the US has fully implemented 12 flights per week, maybe it's time for the US Department of Transportation consider modifying the order of June 1, 2020, to allow Chinese airlines to operate 12 flights per week
It doesn’t just harm people trying to go to China either. Fares to everywhere in Asia from the USA are astronomical because Chinese airlines aren’t able to fly routes and keep all the other airlines honest with their pricing. I’m sure UA has their lobbyists working overtime to ensure these rules stay in place. |
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