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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 10:02 pm
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I wonder if Coyote qualifies as "at home".
In your case, YES
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by gudugan
The 72.9% number comes from here, I didn't make it up.
Obviously we all know the number is symbolically meaningless and they are going to do whatever they want to do. This is why I don't really bother with discussions of vaccine efficacy etc in China, there is also a better forum for that https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel-773/
hahahahaha :cry:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronaviru...121542980.html
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by gudugan
I bet that number will keep going up.....
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 10:58 pm
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Have they made any public statements about how they’re handling people who were vaccinated 6-8-10 months ago?
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by GloballyServiced
Have they made any public statements about how theyre handling people who were vaccinated 6-8-10 months ago?

Sure, you get to enjoy the same 14-21 day quarantine as those who were vaccinated yesterday or never vaccinated 😄
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 11:37 pm
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I’m just wondering if you lose your “status” after some date. It looks like the not-too-distant future will have mandatory vaccine for domestic flights to Beijing.

I wonder if the chance of a foreign vaccine being eligible for that is a firm zero.
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 5:13 am
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If country wide mandatory vaccines get us to whatever percentage big brother deems acceptable, count me as a supporter.
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I’m not interested in getting a Chinese saline injection if I’ve already had one from the states. If they won’t count the international one then maybe that would curtain call on my China career.
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 6:15 am
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Maybe I spoke too soon on the optimism front, I'm back to being a realist.
It's clear that the goalposts are continually moving. Let's assume that I think that working in China for a year could be beneficial to my career, and also that waiting another year until mid-2022 (or later!) is infeasible.

Let's see...
  • My existing vaccine (Moderna) is useless
  • I can't get a Chinese vaccine in most Western countries, nor do I really want to. Plus someone in another country definitely needs it much more than I do
  • I need to get a job with a company that will give a PU letter* (the RP strategy mentioned above in the thread isn't that useful if I only want to do this for a year)
  • I need to wait an indefinite time for paperwork to be processed
  • I need to get a green health code
  • I need to book a flight (cost probably covered by company)
  • I need to quarantine for two weeks (cost probably covered by company, but ughhh)
  • Once I get in, I effectively can't leave for a year without going through the health code/flight/quarantine hullabaloo, and unsure if company will pay for the return flight
  • I probably have at least one engagement in spring 2022 that I would really want to go to
* Arguably this step may not be that hard. I'm not looking for an English teaching job, and I assume the number of overseas applicants for professional jobs in China right now is extremely low.

I don't really see the situation changing in the short term so given the time span of interviewing/paperwork/healthcode etc I might as well make this decision sooner rather than later...
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 6:45 am
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Originally Posted by gudugan
My existing vaccine (Moderna) is useless
  • I can't get a Chinese vaccine in most Western countries, nor do I really want to. Plus someone in another country definitely needs it much more than I do
Pfizer is going to be approved so just get it.

I've actually started to enjoy working here without the ability to leave. Just took some getting used to.

Switching topics, a friend of mine just completed a quarantine and gave me a brief synopsis:
-she was able to select her district upon arrival at pvg
-she chose xuhui (pretty safe choice because no bad areas)
-they bussed the entire xuhui contingent to the same jinjiang inn, which didn't completely suck and had very fast internet
-she ate the hotel food that was left outside of her door for the first week, but somehow managed to crack the eleme barrier during week two
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by moondog


Switching topics, a friend of mine just completed a quarantine and gave me a brief synopsis:
-she was able to select her district upon arrival at pvg
-she chose xuhui (pretty safe choice because no bad areas)
-they bussed the entire xuhui contingent to the same jinjiang inn, which didn't completely suck and had very fast internet
-she ate the hotel food that was left outside of her door for the first week, but somehow managed to crack the eleme barrier during week two
Thanks for sharing this information.
Is your friend's final destination in Shanghai or is s/he going to another city after the quarantine period? I also heard the flight origination point also impact the choice of hotel, but cannot confirm. I heard from another friend of mine that he heard from someone who landed from a US flight at the same time as another flight (not sure from where), but each passenger was assigned to a hotel based on the arrival flight information in addition the final destination in China.
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
Thanks for sharing this information.
Is your friend's final destination in Shanghai or is s/he going to another city after the quarantine period? I also heard the flight origination point also impact the choice of hotel, but cannot confirm. I heard from another friend of mine that he heard from someone who landed from a US flight at the same time as another flight (not sure from where), but each passenger was assigned to a hotel based on the arrival flight information in addition the final destination in China.
travelinmanS sent me some pics from his arrival at pvg earlier this year. There were signs for most of our districts.* My other friend I mentioned lives in Shanghai. I've heard unconfirmed rumors that if your final destination is somewhere else in China, you can quarantine here for 3 days and do rest at your destination as long as it is set up for quarantine.

*I am guessing that each busload of people standing next to sign "x" goes to the same hotel.

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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by gudugan
Maybe I spoke too soon on the optimism front, I'm back to being a realist.
It's clear that the goalposts are continually moving. Let's assume that I think that working in China for a year could be beneficial to my career, and also that waiting another year until mid-2022 (or later!) is infeasible.

Let's see...
  • My existing vaccine (Moderna) is useless
  • I can't get a Chinese vaccine in most Western countries, nor do I really want to. Plus someone in another country definitely needs it much more than I do
  • I need to get a job with a company that will give a PU letter* (the RP strategy mentioned above in the thread isn't that useful if I only want to do this for a year)
  • I need to wait an indefinite time for paperwork to be processed
  • I need to get a green health code
  • I need to book a flight (cost probably covered by company)
  • I need to quarantine for two weeks (cost probably covered by company, but ughhh)
  • Once I get in, I effectively can't leave for a year without going through the health code/flight/quarantine hullabaloo, and unsure if company will pay for the return flight
  • I probably have at least one engagement in spring 2022 that I would really want to go to
* Arguably this step may not be that hard. I'm not looking for an English teaching job, and I assume the number of overseas applicants for professional jobs in China right now is extremely low.

I don't really see the situation changing in the short term so given the time span of interviewing/paperwork/healthcode etc I might as well make this decision sooner rather than later...
The key thing is China couldnt care less what is beneficial for your career and they arent too keen on foreign talents at the moment. If you dont have a gig here already, Id look elsewhere.
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog

I've actually started to enjoy working here without the ability to leave. Just took some getting used to.
The term for this mental phenomenon is Stockholm Syndrome
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 11:45 pm
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Originally Posted by GloballyServiced
The term for this mental phenomenon is Stockholm Syndrome
Apart from being able to easily return to the US, I've honestly just missed out on HK/Macau/SE Asia/Japan/Korea. And, we've been able to do all of that business remotely. Admittedly, sales are more effective in person, but it's a level playing field.
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