China Bans entry of Foreigners
Apr 2, 2020 | 8:05 pm
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Yes Shanghai has great bars and clubs. Lots of fun and friendly people. Nice views of skyline. Went to cloud 9 at jinmao tower when they first opened...cool place.
Those photos are the infamous bar at Ritan Park. Never went there but did go to the russian bar down the street.
Always had a great time when traveling to China. Food is best in the world and plenty of smiling faces.
Those photos are the infamous bar at Ritan Park. Never went there but did go to the russian bar down the street.
Always had a great time when traveling to China. Food is best in the world and plenty of smiling faces.
Apr 2, 2020 | 8:20 pm
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Best cocktail bars in Shanghai are in the French Concession and Jing'an areas. The bund has the views but those areas have the goods. I'm hoping I'll be able to travel to Beijing at least this summer. I like living in Shanghai but there is a fun vibe in Beijing when the weather is warm and everyone is eating meat sticks on the street and pounding beers with their shirts off.
at Peace Park in Shanghai...
Apr 2, 2020 | 8:37 pm
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Apr 3, 2020 | 8:17 am
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Maggie's was well ventilated, even in 1996, and the smoking ban is fairly effective these days. I'm sure they have dice there, available upon request. Incidentally, we used to end up there fairly often to cap off night's out during the late 90s because they had one of the best sound systems in Beijing at the time. I also wouldn't put it in the dive bar category, and I'll leave it at that. The true dive bars during that era were clustered in SLT and Wudaokou.
Apr 3, 2020 | 6:32 pm
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Maggie's was well ventilated, even in 1996, and the smoking ban is fairly effective these days. I'm sure they have dice there, available upon request. Incidentally, we used to end up there fairly often to cap off night's out during the late 90s because they had one of the best sound systems in Beijing at the time. I also wouldn't put it in the dive bar category, and I'll leave it at that. The true dive bars during that era were clustered in SLT and Wudaokou.
Wouldn't you and the other China expats say that even if smoking is banned somewhere, stairwells and restrooms become THE places to do it? Shenzhen North is one example, Zhangjiajie Airport another.
Apr 3, 2020 | 8:20 pm
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Wouldn't you and the other China expats say that even if smoking is banned somewhere, stairwells and restrooms become THE places to do it? Shenzhen North is one example, Zhangjiajie Airport another.
Apr 3, 2020 | 11:06 pm
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Smokers more resilient to corona virus in chinese study. That could account for the low numbers per capita.
Decreased levels of angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), the reported host receptor of the virus responsible of COVID-19 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2; SARS-CoV-2), are observed in smokers.
Active smoking is not associated with severity of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(20)30110-2/fulltext
Decreased levels of angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), the reported host receptor of the virus responsible of COVID-19 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2; SARS-CoV-2), are observed in smokers.
Active smoking is not associated with severity of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(20)30110-2/fulltext
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Apr 4, 2020 | 1:27 am
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Smokers more resilient to corona virus in chinese study. That could account for the low numbers per capita.
https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953...110-2/fulltext
https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953...110-2/fulltext
Your linked article doesn't come remotely close to supporting the text I bolded above.
Apr 4, 2020 | 1:22 pm
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More resilient to becoming infected or more resilient to sever symptoms and bad outcomes?
My impression is that the data shows that smokers are more likely to have severe symptoms, be hospitalized (but this depends on the country/culture), go to an ICU, be intubated or placed on a respirator or similar, and die. This would be conditional on testing as positive, which in most countries means first being exposed or exhibiting symptoms, or both (again depending on the country and time period).
My impression is that the data shows that smokers are more likely to have severe symptoms, be hospitalized (but this depends on the country/culture), go to an ICU, be intubated or placed on a respirator or similar, and die. This would be conditional on testing as positive, which in most countries means first being exposed or exhibiting symptoms, or both (again depending on the country and time period).
Apr 4, 2020 | 1:44 pm
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quoting article...doesn't imply it's a cure or creates immunity..that's contrary to any other english language article I have read on this specific topic. Although I did read several articles about tobacco companies attempting to grow plants containing antigen or some type of cure related remedy. I suppose the statement should be qualified as to more resilient than having conditions related to for example obesity.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditi...vid-19-obesity
According to the World Obesity Federation, “obesity-related conditions seem to worsen the effect of COVID-19; indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that people with heart disease and diabetes are at higher risk of COVID-19 complications.”
ejinme article
"smoking does not apparently seem to be signicantly associated with enhanced risk of progressing towards severe disease in COVID-19."
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditi...vid-19-obesity
According to the World Obesity Federation, “obesity-related conditions seem to worsen the effect of COVID-19; indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that people with heart disease and diabetes are at higher risk of COVID-19 complications.”
ejinme article
"smoking does not apparently seem to be signicantly associated with enhanced risk of progressing towards severe disease in COVID-19."
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