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Old Apr 10, 2009 | 8:36 pm
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A new low in puppy posts

This is how he ends the week?

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Old Apr 10, 2009 | 8:56 pm
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Old Apr 10, 2009 | 8:59 pm
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Old Apr 11, 2009 | 8:02 pm
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It appears the TSA spokesholes are getting irritated by our pointing out their glaring deficiencies:

kellymae81 said...

This is really getting redundant, but I'll say it again. TSA does not "look" for cash, nor is it required to be declared to TSA. It is declared to customs for international flights. Our procedures clearly state in our SOP that if cash "appearing" to be over the amount of $10,000, we must notify a supervisor. If this situation arises, we are here as secondary confirmation that money is declared (if it is an international flight) and all is legal. That's it. That IS our procedure.
When a person becomes part of Law Enforcement, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of LE....no. Just b/c we think an agency should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think. If you resist a police officer, guess what, you'll get looked further into. That is THEIR procedures.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does TSA concern themselves with peoples cash? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!

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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by Lurker1999
It appears the TSA spokesholes are getting irritated by our pointing out their glaring deficiencies:

kellymae81 said...

This is really getting redundant, but I'll say it again. TSA does not "look" for cash, nor is it required to be declared to TSA. It is declared to customs for international flights. Our procedures clearly state in our SOP that if cash "appearing" to be over the amount of $10,000, we must notify a supervisor. If this situation arises, we are here as secondary confirmation that money is declared (if it is an international flight) and all is legal. That's it. That IS our procedure.
When a person becomes part of Law Enforcement, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of LE....no. Just b/c we think an agency should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think. If you resist a police officer, guess what, you'll get looked further into. That is THEIR procedures.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does TSA concern themselves with peoples cash? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!

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I think what most questioners want to know is why has cash been declared contraband and lumped in with drugs? That's the question that they won't/can't answer.

I shake my head in amazement that the screeners get no training in identifying drugs yet they are required to report anything that they think is suspicious. That type of SOP certainly allows for the opening of a Pandora's box. You get a screener who thinks he/she is going to make the big catch and everything gets reported. Or you get a screen who partakes of drugs him/herself and that person probably doesn't say a word.

Do they keep stats on which screeners report "suspicious" items and the results of those reports?
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But I was just following orders. It wasn't my Zyklon B.

Originally Posted by Kelly of the TSA, Just Following Orders
When a person becomes part of Law Enforcement, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of LE....no. Just b/c we think an agency should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does TSA concern themselves with peoples cash? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!
Sorry Mr. Godwin, but this is the Nuremberg Defense, ruled to be invalid:

"When a person becomes part of the SS Totenkopfverbande, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of the Konzentrationslager--no. Just b/c we think a camp should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does the SS concern themselves with gassing people? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!"

Please read some history, Kelly of the TSA, before you are doomed to repeat it. And changing the subject is like sticking your head in the sand, it does not make the problem go away. Except in your world of government burro-crats, where sticking your head into your supervisors posterior gains you rapid promotions.
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
Sorry Mr. Godwin, but this is the Nuremberg Defense, ruled to be invalid:

"When a person becomes part of the SS Totenkopfverbande, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of the Konzentrationslager--no. Just b/c we think a camp should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does the SS concern themselves with gassing people? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!"

Please read some history, Kelly of the TSA, before you are doomed to repeat it. And changing the subject is like sticking your head in the sand, it does not make the problem go away. Except in your world of government burro-crats, where sticking your head into your supervisors posterior gains you rapid promotions.
Go ahead and post that on the TSA blog. Whether it ends up being published or not is a side issue. Do not let up, not one step back.
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 8:28 am
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QUOTE=Lurker1999;11566667]It appears the TSA spokesholes are getting irritated by our pointing out their glaring deficiencies:

kellymae81 said...

This is really getting redundant, but I'll say it again. TSA does not "look" for cash, nor is it required to be declared to TSA. It is declared to customs for international flights. Our procedures clearly state in our SOP that if cash "appearing" to be over the amount of $10,000, we must notify a supervisor. If this situation arises, we are here as secondary confirmation that money is declared (if it is an international flight) and all is legal. That's it. That IS our procedure.
When a person becomes part of Law Enforcement, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of LE....no. Just b/c we think an agency should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think. If you resist a police officer, guess what, you'll get looked further into. That is THEIR procedures.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does TSA concern themselves with peoples cash? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!

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[/QUOTE]

Bolding above mine-is she talking about her job as a TSA screener or another real LE job that she has on the side?

BTW, Bob-great choice to officially represent your agency on the blog...
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
Sorry Mr. Godwin, but this is the Nuremberg Defense, ruled to be invalid:

"When a person becomes part of the SS Totenkopfverbande, they are trained on the procedures they must follow. Does everyone like all the procedures of the Konzentrationslager--no. Just b/c we think a camp should or should not have certain procedures, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, we have to follow, regardless of what we think.
So when you repeatedly ask, Why? Why? Why? does the SS concern themselves with gassing people? B/c it is trained procedure. If you don't like the answer to this question, fine. Argue all you want, the answer is not going to change. Please change the subject!"

Please read some history, Kelly of the TSA, before you are doomed to repeat it. And changing the subject is like sticking your head in the sand, it does not make the problem go away. Except in your world of government burro-crats, where sticking your head into your supervisors posterior gains you rapid promotions.
If you want to back yourself up from Godwin's Law a little bit more, call it the Oliver North Defense.
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Originally Posted by Lurker1999
It appears the TSA spokesholes are getting irritated by our pointing out their glaring deficiencies:

kellymae81 said...

This is really getting redundant, but I'll say it again. TSA does not "look" for cash, nor is it required to be declared to TSA. It is declared to customs for international flights. Our procedures clearly state in our SOP that if cash "appearing" to be over the amount of $10,000, we must notify a supervisor. If this situation arises, we are here as secondary confirmation that money is declared (if it is an international flight) and all is legal. That's it. That IS our procedure.
When a person becomes part of Law Enforcement...

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I'm a little confused, as no TSA screener is actually law enforcement. That's why they need to call someone who actually has authority over to solve problems if they arise.
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 4:19 pm
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Very fine line "Kelly" is walking here. He/she says they're in law enforcement, whereas their employers love to call them "officers." While the post probably doesn't meet the legal definition of impersonating a law enforcement officer, he/she should be careful.
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by clrankin
I'm a little confused, as no TSA screener is actually law enforcement. That's why they need to call someone who actually has authority over to solve problems if they arise.
As is par for the course with Kelly, she is not able to express herself in a clear manner. I think she is trying to compare LE procedures with TSA procedures, by saying that not everyone like or agrees with LE procedures just as people don't like or agree with TSA procedures.

Keep in mind, folks, that this person also claims to be a trainer at Louisville. With trainers like this it's no wonder that screeners can't learn their job properly.
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Originally Posted by doober
As is par for the course with Kelly, she is not able to express herself in a clear manner. I think she is trying to compare LE procedures with TSA procedures, by saying that not everyone like or agrees with LE procedures just as people don't like or agree with TSA procedures.

Keep in mind, folks, that this person also claims to be a trainer at Louisville. With trainers like this it's no wonder that screeners can't learn their job properly.
Louisville was among the first places to be infected by the TSA.

However, it's pretty much on a craptapular par with every other US airport. They pretty much suck equally.
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