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LorienN Dec 9, 2006 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by ChuckDoh (Post 6810235)
While passing through PVD security this week, I was having my boarding pass re-re-re-checked by the TSA agent manning the conveyer at the X-Ray. He was wearing the standard TSA name tag, with just a first name and an ID number. His read "David 10402.”

I said to him; “I went to school with Peter 10402, are you related?” He looked at me with a completely lifeless expression for a moment, then said; “Oh, that’s not really my name. That’s just my ID number.”

“Ahh” I replied, realizing that my attempt at humor had missed its mark.

A few moments later, he said; “Where”?

“Where, what?”

“Where was it that you went to school with Peter 10402?”

“No,” I said, surprised that this was still rattling around in his head, “I didn’t really go to school with Peter 10402, that was a joke. I was joking.” The blank look continued.

“Oh, I thought you may have gone to some kind of military school where everyone goes by a number.” Like prison, I thought.

I nodded and smiled, then went on with my trip safe in the knowledge that this crack staff will keep us save from toothpaste without any risk of distractions from irony.

thanks for sharing. i cant stop laughing:) a true classic example of what a sick time we live in.

VideoPaul Dec 9, 2006 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 6820733)
Way Cool artwork. I think Ill post it in our breakroom.

The problem is this: How many of your co-workers would get the sarcasm and irony and perhaps us ethis as a reason to reconsider making up rules as they go along; and how many would get all fired up and be chomping for the end of their break to go and enforce their authoritah??

--PP

MikeMpls Dec 10, 2006 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by rbrenton88 (Post 6812574)
I'm still stuck on the 'many people left 6-figure salaries to work for the TSA'.

If you can identify a single one, I'll eat my left hand for lunch.

I saw one at STL Sat. night with his head buried in a book. My first thought was "six-figure salary".

At least he can read.

gradvmedusa Dec 10, 2006 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by TSABOS (Post 6794299)
But I guess I can understand why.
I'm a screener at Logan, and hearing people talk about TSA is pretty funny. And it's true, a little knowledge is dangerous. I understand why the liquid rules appear silly, and the question of "how does a plastic bag keep us safer?" I was just reading an article on how we're "unintelligent" and should "have no authority over you." We don't have any authority over you. You're free to do what you want. You have chosen to fly, and chosen to not follow rules, surrender your items, etc. etc.People just don't seem to get it. And don't see how badly we're treated.

That's what is known as a "false choice". Your treated badly because your a visible sign of the latest bout of facism this country is going through, and frankly you deserve everything you get.

bambi47 Dec 10, 2006 10:14 pm

I just want to defend one thing the TSO said. Its the whole "do I look like a terrorist" thing. The whole point of it is supposed to be that we do not know who the next terrorist will be, so everyone looks like a terrorist. Remember their not allowed to profile, so everyone is supposed to be treated the same. I have to say that was the question that bothered me the most. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

bambi47 Dec 10, 2006 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by gradvmedusa (Post 6826667)
That's what is known as a "false choice". Your treated badly because your a visible sign of the latest bout of facism this country is going through, and frankly you deserve everything you get.

Thats where your wrong in my opinion. Your treating the screener badly because you don't like the rules imposed by the government. Your problem is with the organization, not the individuals. I'm not thrilled with the cop that gave me a ticket for speeding, but hey, I knew the law and broke it. He was just doing his job.

Superguy Dec 10, 2006 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by bambi47 (Post 6826692)
Thats where your wrong in my opinion. Your treating the screener badly because you don't like the rules imposed by the government. Your problem is with the organization, not the individuals. I'm not thrilled with the cop that gave me a ticket for speeding, but hey, I knew the law and broke it. He was just doing his job.

And screeners treat people badly because they can too. It's a cycle.

mcjava Dec 10, 2006 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 6826800)
And screeners treat people badly because they can too. It's a cycle.

Also, in general most police officers know much better what the law is, what people's rights are, etc, so while there are a few that might be over the top, they are few and far between. TSO's are just on power trips. Have you ever heard of one being demoted a rank? Losing 10% salary for not following SOP??

Have any been hurt or worse in the line of duty yet?

I totally respect 99.9% of the LEO's I meet. Just a little higher than the % of TSO's I look at.

Mats Dec 11, 2006 6:21 am

Actually, they do get injured. I used to see a lot of Workers Comp patients and the TSA had the highest rate of workers comp claims in the country.

It is worthwhile to note that there are two significant predictors for wokers comp incidence and prognosis:
1. Depression
2. Relationship with supervisor

So that tells me that we have a lot of depressed TSA employees who hate their supervisors. No surprise.

Spiff Dec 11, 2006 7:41 am


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 6827663)
Actually, they do get injured. I used to see a lot of Workers Comp patients and the TSA had the highest rate of workers comp claims in the country.

It is worthwhile to note that there are two significant predictors for wokers comp incidence and prognosis:
1. Depression
2. Relationship with supervisor

So that tells me that we have a lot of depressed TSA employees who hate their supervisors. No surprise.

There would be a lot fewer claims if they were opening and inspecting fewer bags.

Perhaps some training on how to lift instead of how to harass would reduce claims as well.

VideoPaul Dec 11, 2006 8:17 am

If hthTSA wanted to actually be about security, they would require police intelligence, civil service, background, psychological and agility tests, make screeners sworn officers and go after the legions of cops who retied after their 20 years.

This will never happen.

Why? Becasue the TSA is not about security. It's a jobs program employing tens of thousands of oterwise near-unemployable people. Jettisoning these boobs and requiring everyone to pass police examinations just like any sworn officer would would cull their ranks by around 75 or 80 percent, and strike these people unemployed again.

Security would be far more wefficient, the efficacy rate of detecting test guns and bombs would skyrocket and people would be treated with respect, deference ot the bill of rights and the SOP adhered to. Because the TSA isn't about security but is about employing the dregs of society in larger markets, this will NEVER happen. People like Bart will have to continue to try to make silk purses out of sows' ears and the entire thing will get worse and worse until a terror attack thet gets throguh the porous joke of a TSA security net and Daschle has some 'splaining to do about federalizing guaranteeing professionalism.

--PP

LessO2 Dec 11, 2006 8:22 am


Originally Posted by Mats (Post 6827663)
Actually, they do get injured. I used to see a lot of Workers Comp patients and the TSA had the highest rate of workers comp claims in the country.

It is worthwhile to note that there are two significant predictors for wokers comp incidence and prognosis:
1. Depression
2. Relationship with supervisor

So that tells me that we have a lot of depressed TSA employees who hate their supervisors. No surprise.


Did those "two significant predictors" come specifically from the TSA ranks?

I doubt your findings as fact with the TSA, as other TSAers here have said here that the main cause of workman's comp claims at is baggage-related.

That's why, as I have said all along, that the TSA should have a physical fitness standard. Have you ever seen the screeners that appear to be about 300-400 pounds? There are laws that prevent hiring discrimination, but TSA is extremely proficient at trampling rights, both for employees and passengers.

Of course, it's possible for a 180-pound guy to throw his back out as well. If the TSA spent 1/100th the time it does on liquid nonsense and spent it on proper lifting technique (instead of "slinging" bags), those workman comp claims would go down in a hurry.

eyecue Dec 11, 2006 9:01 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 6828166)
Did those "two significant predictors" come specifically from the TSA ranks?

I doubt your findings as fact with the TSA, as other TSAers here have said here that the main cause of workman's comp claims at is baggage-related.

That's why, as I have said all along, that the TSA should have a physical fitness standard. Have you ever seen the screeners that appear to be about 300-400 pounds? There are laws that prevent hiring discrimination, but TSA is extremely proficient at trampling rights, both for employees and passengers.

Of course, it's possible for a 180-pound guy to throw his back out as well. If the TSA spent 1/100th the time it does on liquid nonsense and spent it on proper lifting technique (instead of "slinging" bags), those workman comp claims would go down in a hurry.

We get a lot of training on lifting and other aspects of the job related to injury.

LessO2 Dec 11, 2006 9:14 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 6828375)
We get a lot of training on lifting and other aspects of the job related to injury.

But with all due respect, it ain't working if the claims are as high as they are said to be.

Wally Bird Dec 11, 2006 9:43 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 6828459)
But with all due respect, it ain't working if the claims are as high as they are said to be.

Assuming all claims are legitimate. Which would surprise me.


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