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Originally Posted by VideoPaul
(Post 6828138)
If hthTSA wanted to actually be about security, they would require police intelligence, civil service, background, psychological and agility tests, make screeners sworn officers and go after the legions of cops who retied after their 20 years.
This will never happen. Why? Becasue the TSA is not about security. It's a jobs program employing tens of thousands of oterwise near-unemployable people. Jettisoning these boobs and requiring everyone to pass police examinations just like any sworn officer would would cull their ranks by around 75 or 80 percent, and strike these people unemployed again. Security would be far more wefficient, the efficacy rate of detecting test guns and bombs would skyrocket and people would be treated with respect, deference ot the bill of rights and the SOP adhered to. Because the TSA isn't about security but is about employing the dregs of society in larger markets, this will NEVER happen. People like Bart will have to continue to try to make silk purses out of sows' ears and the entire thing will get worse and worse until a terror attack thet gets throguh the porous joke of a TSA security net and Daschle has some 'splaining to do about federalizing guaranteeing professionalism. --PP This is so good. Wish I coulld've worded this so well. So may I just say I second this.............. |
Originally Posted by mcjava
(Post 6826848)
Have you ever heard of one being demoted a rank?
Losing 10% salary for not following SOP?? Have any been hurt or worse in the line of duty yet? |
Originally Posted by bambi47
(Post 6826692)
Thats where your wrong in my opinion. Your treating the screener badly because you don't like the rules imposed by the government. Your problem is with the organization, not the individuals. I'm not thrilled with the cop that gave me a ticket for speeding, but hey, I knew the law and broke it. He was just doing his job.
*<very calm voice>yes, i do. <pause> would you please bring a supervisor over along with a police officer and the airline gsc <pause> <pause> <pause> (raising voice very loudly so other pax can hear>and i mean right now! i am not moving from this spot and you will not, repeat will not touch my bags until these people arrive!-works everytime to get someone's attention that i won't stand for someone not playing by the rules, making up their own rules (i carry various tsa docs with me to prove my point) and abusing their power-only twice have i had to mention the phrase "color of authority" in the presence of the leo, but things dramatically change in my favor at that point. |
Originally Posted by VideoPaul
(Post 6828138)
go after the legions of cops who retied after their 20 years.
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Originally Posted by cpx
(Post 6829178)
This would improve customer service aspect of it as well :)
Sooooooo...they made it clear that all the former security screeners were free to apply for jobs with the TSA. Had the TSA been about security, they would have immediately made it a civil service TEST with psychological screening, intelligence testing, physical agility testing and competitive placement so only the best and the brightest were hired. You would also hae had a nationwide wailing and gnashing of teeth session after so many of hte previously employed screeners were shut out HARD. This is how we arrived at the TSA we know and loathe so well today. A few people like Bart trying to manage hordes of those who are far more suited to asking if one wants to "biggie size" it. Not surprisingly, you get a lot o the same surly, you are an interruptiuon of my workday, I make the rules and go away if you don't like it, entitlement attitude you see today at the checkpoints. The biggest difference seems to be that the guy changing the now-illegal trans-fats in the french fry machine doesn't have authoritah. --PP |
Originally Posted by bambi47
(Post 6826682)
I just want to defend one thing the TSO said. Its the whole "do I look like a terrorist" thing. The whole point of it is supposed to be that we do not know who the next terrorist will be, so everyone looks like a terrorist. Remember their not allowed to profile, so everyone is supposed to be treated the same.
The blanket statement about everyone looking like a terrorist is simply false, and based on ignorance on the part of TSO's. They are not trained to a level where they could recognize these traits, ergo, the screening circus takes the place of professional threat assessment. |
Originally Posted by cpx
(Post 6829178)
This would improve customer service aspect of it as well :)
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Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy
(Post 6835615)
I'm not going to bother getting into the other issues of it, but I would much rather deal with disinterested 20/30 yos than ornery retiree ex-cops filling in time between golf games.
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
(Post 6835843)
Which group is more likely to provide effective, meaningful security rather than a dog and pony show for Ma and Pa Kettle?
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i hate my job I hate my job I hate my job
You’ve seen it once, you’ve seen it twice, if it looks like small tube toothpaste it is toothpaste why check it? Keep the line moving, keep people from talking to you, and don’t make eye contact look at the ground.
If you see someone you know hide your face, no one can ever know you work here. Just have one more semester of college, and the nightmare is over being a TSA employee is in my past. Thank you god and thank you Jesus, just five more months, five more months, five more months. |
Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
(Post 6835843)
Which group is more likely to provide effective, meaningful security rather than a dog and pony show for Ma and Pa Kettle?
In any case, if they were given the same SOPs, they'd behave in the same way. |
Originally Posted by TSABOS
(Post 6794299)
But I guess I can understand why.
I'm a screener at Logan, and hearing people talk about TSA is pretty funny. And it's true, a little knowledge is dangerous. I understand why the liquid rules appear silly, and the question of "how does a plastic bag keep us safer?" I was just reading an article on how we're "unintelligent" and should "have no authority over you." We don't have any authority over you. You're free to do what you want. You have chosen to fly, and chosen to not follow rules, surrender your items, etc. etc. Btw, as of unintelligent, I can't speak for other airports, but you would be surprised how well-rounded some of us are (atleast at Logan), and how many gave up 6 figure jobs after 9/11 to work for TSA. Plastic bags - Do not keep you safer, atleast directly, they instead are a measuring tool, which helps regulate how much liquid is being brought onto a plane. Liquids - Are, unfortunatly a threat. Ask any MIT chemistry major, and ask him how unstable, how explosive, and how easily these threats are to mix, and use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_explosive. Get learn'd. Any highschool student with half a brain and a chemistry book knows how to blow locker doors off when they're slammed shut. You think you, the passenger, get treated bad? Please. People talk about TSA having poor customer service, well what about poor customers? I work a low-paying Gov't job, where it is in our contract that we can't unionize, work irregular hours, much of it on manditory overtime, so please add insult to injury by verbally abusing me, as I try my best to keep you safe when you travel. On Christmas. When I will indeed be working. Tell me how uneducated I am to the CJ degree on my wall. Stop asking me if you look like a terrorist. You do. Stop telling me that I wouldn't have my job if it wasn't for 9/11, do you want me to stop doing my job? Talk to Bush. I'd like a few words with him myself. No, you don't pay my salary. Let's study a capitalist economy for a moment, everyone pays everyones' salary. If you really hate us that bad, just stop flying. It's simple. You do not have the right to fly, you have the privilege. It is not an invasion of privacy, when you voluntarily purchase a ticket. The TSA has all the Constitutional backing they need, 4th Amendment, implied consent, yadda yadda yadda. Once you enter the checkpoint, this is the implied consent. Your property now belongs to the United States Gov't. People just don't seem to get it. And don't see how badly we're treated. You, sir, are a greater threat to my freedom than any terrorist and your attitude is the reason why I hold the TSA and its minions in the lowest regard. My property, per the Constitution (did they teach you about that in your CJ program?) belongs not to the government but to me and may not be taken without due process of law (5th Amendment), nor may it be searched without probable cause (4th Amendment). I would suggest that you "get learn'd" on what freedom is in this country and that we have rights that you violate each and every day. And, yes, you do work for us and if it were up to me, you'd be on the unemployment line. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 6828849)
YESYESYES and Unfortunately YES
As for injuries, I was trying to politely say "injured by a bad person", rather than injured picking up a bag. Heck, I have to work hard every time I travel to remember to pick up bags and heavy things properly in order not to injure myself. I wouldn't consider that anything compared to normal public servants like police officers or firemen who put themselves in danger quite often. |
TSABOS,
Thanks for trying. There really is no excuse for anyone to doll about the abuse you guys take for just doing their jobs. People have a fair deal of anonymity at airports and think that gives them an excuse to be an .... It doesn't and they most often wouldn't act that way if people they knew were around. The reality is that people here hate the TSA regulations and they feel that somehow the people who enforce them have some leeway over changing then and thus treating them as a human doormat is ok. It's funny to read posts on here where people start off by saying that they feel sorry for you guys taking abuse, but then they essentially say stop complaining, shut up and take it. Anyhow, thanks for the post and sorry for the lack of maturity shown in this forum. |
Funnily enough, just for once I agree with thegeneral.
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